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Twister – Decentralized p2p microblogging

76 points by Sami_Lehtinen 12y ago

apoqkopqwe 12y ago
it has a lot of competition https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page whisper coming from ethereum project https://github.com/NikolaMandic/Buyan https://github.com/NikolaMandic/Buyan
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  Bitmessage is for private conversations. I assume the same is true for Whisper. I think Twister is mainly about censorship-free public conversations (like Twitter, without the censorship part - see Turkey, etc).
  - grubles 12y ago
    Bitmessage is also used for decentralized mailing lists, which are known as "chans".[0] Also, check out bitchirp.org, which is a twitter-like public website that publishes messages sent to the BitChirp chan. [0]https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Decentralized_Mailing_List https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Decentralized_Mailing_List
- Torgo 12y ago
  Can you explain what "Buyan" replaces? It looks like it's a local webapp using webrtc and peerjs to simulate a twitter-like service?
  - apoqkopqwea 12y ago
    It is going to be p2p webrtc messaging app with blockchain. it won't be local. and it's going to be extensible by user
    - apoqkopqwea 12y ago
      now I heard there is this thing also http://telehash.org/ http://telehash.org/
seba_dos1 12y ago
How does it compare to GNU social/StatusNet?
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  StatusNet was federated not P2P, last I checked.
apeacox 12y ago
can't find the link to source code :-|
- kordless 12y ago
  I find it highly likely you put as much time into finding the source as you did writing this comment. Nevertheless: https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core. Also the paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.7152v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.7152v1.pdf.
joelthelion 12y ago
I really wish something like this would take off. Reddit and friends are great, but it's just too easy to game the system/censor if you control the central server.
- vertex-four 12y ago
  On the other hand... nobody's really got decentralised spam prevention working, and the only really effective anti-spam systems that I know of rely on hidden data, which implies centralisation. The only serious ways of dealing with it are pay-per-use, which disproportionately affects certain subsets of the population, or web-of-trust, which nobody's got working for reputation on a grand scale yet.
  - grubles 12y ago
    Bitmessage uses proof-of-work to prevent spam. "When you send a message, your client must first compute a Proof of Work (POW). This POW helps mitigate spam on the network. Nodes and other clients will not process your message if it does not show sufficient POW. After the POW is complete, your message is shared to all of your connections which in turn share it with all of their connections." https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Proof_of_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Proof_of_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/FAQ#How_does_Bitmessage_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/FAQ#How_does_Bitmessage_work
    - ncza 12y ago
      So what does a message actually cost in terms of dollars, power, time? How does it prevent low volume spam?
      - cwyers 12y ago
        And that may prevent botspam, although I'm skeptical. But I seriously doubt it will have an effect on abuse (people stalking others, posting harrassing Tweets, etc.)
giancarlostoro 12y ago
I've had a similar idea, but using the web for everything, just haven't bothered with it.
jerguismi 12y ago
For me, the more interesting applications in this space are not necessarily normal communications, but "next level" anonymous/pseudonymous protocols, which are by default encrypted, highly private and decentralized.
bikeshack 12y ago
https://e14n.com/ https://e14n.com/ https://alpha.app.net/ https://alpha.app.net/ http://sublevel.net/ http://sublevel.net/ https://cupcake.io/ https://cupcake.io/ https://ello.co/ https://ello.co/
amelius 12y ago
I hope there is some consensus on protocols between all the various similar projects.
kordless 12y ago
Before anyone bothers with it, none of the Docker stuff for the project works. I've got a container building the code, but I'm not getting anything from the daemon once it launches. Here's the repo I'm working now: https://github.com/kordless/swarm-twister https://github.com/kordless/swarm-twister

76 points by Sami_Lehtinen 12y ago

it has a lot of competition https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page whisper coming from ethereum project https://github.com/NikolaMandic/Buyan https://github.com/NikolaMandic/Buyan

higherpurpose 12y ago
Bitmessage is for private conversations. I assume the same is true for Whisper. I think Twister is mainly about censorship-free public conversations (like Twitter, without the censorship part - see Turkey, etc).
- grubles 12y ago
  Bitmessage is also used for decentralized mailing lists, which are known as "chans".[0] Also, check out bitchirp.org, which is a twitter-like public website that publishes messages sent to the BitChirp chan. [0]https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Decentralized_Mailing_List https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Decentralized_Mailing_List
Torgo 12y ago
Can you explain what "Buyan" replaces? It looks like it's a local webapp using webrtc and peerjs to simulate a twitter-like service?
- apoqkopqwea 12y ago
  It is going to be p2p webrtc messaging app with blockchain. it won't be local. and it's going to be extensible by user
  - apoqkopqwea 12y ago
    now I heard there is this thing also http://telehash.org/ http://telehash.org/

seba_dos1 12y ago

How does it compare to GNU social/StatusNet?

higherpurpose 12y ago
StatusNet was federated not P2P, last I checked.

apeacox 12y ago

can't find the link to source code :-|

kordless 12y ago
I find it highly likely you put as much time into finding the source as you did writing this comment. Nevertheless: https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core https://github.com/miguelfreitas/twister-core. Also the paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.7152v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.7152v1.pdf.

joelthelion 12y ago

I really wish something like this would take off. Reddit and friends are great, but it's just too easy to game the system/censor if you control the central server.

vertex-four 12y ago
On the other hand... nobody's really got decentralised spam prevention working, and the only really effective anti-spam systems that I know of rely on hidden data, which implies centralisation. The only serious ways of dealing with it are pay-per-use, which disproportionately affects certain subsets of the population, or web-of-trust, which nobody's got working for reputation on a grand scale yet.
- grubles 12y ago
  Bitmessage uses proof-of-work to prevent spam. "When you send a message, your client must first compute a Proof of Work (POW). This POW helps mitigate spam on the network. Nodes and other clients will not process your message if it does not show sufficient POW. After the POW is complete, your message is shared to all of your connections which in turn share it with all of their connections." https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Proof_of_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Proof_of_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/FAQ#How_does_Bitmessage_work https://bitmessage.org/wiki/FAQ#How_does_Bitmessage_work
  - ncza 12y ago
    So what does a message actually cost in terms of dollars, power, time? How does it prevent low volume spam?
    - cwyers 12y ago
      And that may prevent botspam, although I'm skeptical. But I seriously doubt it will have an effect on abuse (people stalking others, posting harrassing Tweets, etc.)

giancarlostoro 12y ago

I've had a similar idea, but using the web for everything, just haven't bothered with it.

jerguismi 12y ago

For me, the more interesting applications in this space are not necessarily normal communications, but "next level" anonymous/pseudonymous protocols, which are by default encrypted, highly private and decentralized.

bikeshack 12y ago

https://e14n.com/ https://e14n.com/ https://alpha.app.net/ https://alpha.app.net/ http://sublevel.net/ http://sublevel.net/ https://cupcake.io/ https://cupcake.io/ https://ello.co/ https://ello.co/

amelius 12y ago

I hope there is some consensus on protocols between all the various similar projects.

kordless 12y ago

Before anyone bothers with it, none of the Docker stuff for the project works. I've got a container building the code, but I'm not getting anything from the daemon once it launches. Here's the repo I'm working now: https://github.com/kordless/swarm-twister https://github.com/kordless/swarm-twister