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Weird train of thought about the supposed scarceness of saunas. My gym in SF has a sauna. Many people use it every time they work out. You can only stay in ther

by woah 12y ago

Weird train of thought about the supposed scarceness of saunas. My gym in SF has a sauna. Many people use it every time they work out. You can only stay in there for like 10 minutes. Not a huge time investment. Are you telling me that only the very wealthy can afford an $80 monthly gym membership? Some apartment buildings in Berlin I visited had saunas built in (and these were not luxury buildings). My understanding is that saunas are even more prevalent in Scandinavia. You should rethink your reasoning.

maj0rhn 12y ago
$80 per month is a lot of money for most people. It's like buying a new pair of running shoes every month. Quite a luxury. This in itself separates groups of people. Reasoning stands.
- hammerandtongs 12y ago
  """saunas are even more prevalent in Scandinavia. You should rethink your reasoning."""
  - maj0rhn 12y ago
    The cost of access to saunas is not zero in money, and not zero in time. This in itself creates differences between groups, which is why randomized trials are far superior to case-control or observational studies. This is so well established in medicine that there is no cause to rethink the reasoning.
    - mkempe 12y ago
      Based on your comments I gather you have never been in Finland. So you know close to nothing about social mores and structures in that country. Your comments are noise, not even wrong.
nawitus 12y ago
Correlation means correlation, not that something is impossible. In other words, just because, for example, a poor person can afford to go to sauna 4-7 times a week it doesn't mean that there's no correlation between income level and sauna usage. Another example would be drinking an "expensive" wine at least once a month. I'd claim that a lot of poor people can afford a $25 wine monthly, but there can still be a correlation between income and buying an expensive wine at least once a month.

by woah 12y ago

maj0rhn 12y ago

$80 per month is a lot of money for most people. It's like buying a new pair of running shoes every month. Quite a luxury. This in itself separates groups of people. Reasoning stands.

hammerandtongs 12y ago
"""saunas are even more prevalent in Scandinavia. You should rethink your reasoning."""
- maj0rhn 12y ago
  The cost of access to saunas is not zero in money, and not zero in time. This in itself creates differences between groups, which is why randomized trials are far superior to case-control or observational studies. This is so well established in medicine that there is no cause to rethink the reasoning.
  - mkempe 12y ago
    Based on your comments I gather you have never been in Finland. So you know close to nothing about social mores and structures in that country. Your comments are noise, not even wrong.

nawitus 12y ago

Correlation means correlation, not that something is impossible. In other words, just because, for example, a poor person can afford to go to sauna 4-7 times a week it doesn't mean that there's no correlation between income level and sauna usage. Another example would be drinking an "expensive" wine at least once a month. I'd claim that a lot of poor people can afford a $25 wine monthly, but there can still be a correlation between income and buying an expensive wine at least once a month.