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San Francisco Questions

12 points by geoffw8 17y ago

Hi all, I'm from the UK, and my company has just received some seed funding, and I'm thinking of coming to SFO for a month or two, at some point to check it out. I just wanted to ask: 1. How much can I expect to pay for rent? I'm looking for something I can eat and sleep in. I don't want to have to wear Kevlar to the shops, but I don't need a jacuzzi bath :) I'm not fussy. 2. Where does the magic happen? Wheres the place (town/city) to be staying? Any info will be very much appreciated. Thanks, Geoff

pclark 17y ago
whats your startup?
jpeterson 17y ago
In my opinion, this is a horrible time for you to be checking out San Francisco. You've just got seed funding--why do you want to blow that on one of the most expensive places to stay in the US? This is when you should be very frugal and concentrate on creating a kick-ass product. Worry about location later.
- geoffw8 17y ago
  Completely agree. Its not something I'm looking to do right away, I just wanted to put the feelers out nice and early...
haseman 17y ago
1000$-1500$ a month for a studio-1bedroom. Magic happens: The Mission, SOMA, North Beach (more of an LA scene over there) Most of the tech stuff happens in those areas but a lot of it happens down in the south bay.
- mmt 17y ago
  Indeed, I find it rather telling that, though PG extolls the virtues of San Francisco, YC is in the South Bay. Personally, I think that's where it belongs and that having "everything" be "so nearby" in a city is both a fiction and overstated as a benefit.
  - haseman 17y ago
    I live in the mission. It's amazing to be able to walk between a dozen coffee shops and bike to work. But it's not for everyone, it's especially not for people who don't want to sell one of their organs each month to pay the rent.
    - j_baker 17y ago
      I love the mission. I wish I could move there so bad.
  - mhartl 17y ago
    PG extols the virtues of Silicon Valley, which is basically coincident with the South Bay. He actively dissuades (unsuccessfully, in many cases) YC founders from living in SF.
enki 17y ago
500-900$ if you're willing to live with others. soma, mission, north beach are startup central - the rest is down in the south bay
gtani 17y ago
hacker houses in/around SF (palo alto and Mtn View are close enough http://searchyc.com/hacker+house http://searchyc.com/hacker+house toilet, whiteboard http://divvyshot.com/photo/ltIwP/ http://divvyshot.com/photo/ltIwP/
nym 17y ago
You only really need to wear kevlar in Oakland by the way. On the other hand, that's where the hipsters go to keep it real.
- timr 17y ago
  Technically, it's where the artists go to live without going broke. The hipsters just follow.
jamesk2 17y ago
For housing: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/ http://sfbay.craigslist.org/ - for shared rooms and sublets. For tech companies: http://www.wayfaring.com/maps/show/4358 http://www.wayfaring.com/maps/show/4358 - this is a map of many of the tech companies in the area. For activities, check out http://meetup.com http://meetup.com - there are lots of tech activities all over the area.
dasht 17y ago
(My comment is redundant with some of the others but I wrote it before reading them. I figure it's helpful to see concurring opinions.) I think that you will find such short term rentals difficult but not impossible to come by. As a fallback, though it isn't a very exciting option, there are various hotel-but-with-kitchens businesses that specialize in short-term rentals. The rental market is laid fairly bare on Craigslist for the SF Bay Area. There you might find, closer to the time of your travel, temporary sublet or roommate opportunities. You don't make clear what you mean by "magic". I'll take two guesses that you mean either crazy Bay Area culture or insane Bay Area business networking opportunities. For culture, consider Berkeley (in the flats, not the hills) or, within The City (S.F.) consider the Castro, Haight, N. Beach, or SOMA neighborhoods (given your Kevlar aversion, I'd suggest avoiding the Tenderloin). For business, I am guessing a bit but consider SOMA or, for a complete twist into a kind of bland suburban hell (but close to a lot of VCs and start-ups) consider heading south on the peninsula to Mtn. View or Palo Alto or somewhere around there. I'd caution against most of Oakland. In the hills you'll be isolated from action. In many parts of the flats, you'll wish for your Kevlar. There are excellent and peaceful and vibrant places to live in Oakland but if you are picking from afar, don't count on your ability to tell them from the not so good places. Similarly, sadly, avoid Richmond. If you time your visit for early summer, after the Universities end their spring semester, the chances of finding nice short-term sublets or roommate situations goes way up. I think some of the price quotes you got below are not impossible but you should expect higher. Be very careful not to get scammed when negotiating a deal from afar (of course). -t
nolanbrown23 17y ago
I'm moving to the East Bay, taking BART into the city. While I know it's not a perfect situation, it's easier access to SF than South Bay. Look in Berkeley, Emeryville and Rockridge. Also try http://padmapper.com http://padmapper.com, it's been invaluable to me.
burnout1540 17y ago
When you say "magic", what do you mean exactly? Where is the startup action? Or where is the fun/excitement/nightlife? If you meant the second, read on. Lots of people seem to be recommending SOMA. As someone who lived in SOMA for almost 2 years, take my advice: SOMA sucks. Due to the large warehouses and apartment complexes, SOMA throws away one of the city's best traits: its human scale and the "walkability" that brings. - Want to walk to a reasonably priced dinner within half a mile? You have about 4 choices if you're in SOMA. - Want to go to a corner store at 10 PM? You're out of luck if you're in SOMA. - Want to bar hop? You'll take about 3 hops if you're in SOMA. - Want to feel like you're a part of a living city and meet other people? In SOMA (not counting the Embarcadero), you'll see about one person on the sidewalk every two blocks after business hours are over. - Want to enjoy the city's grand views and expansive parks? In SOMA, get an apartment in a highrise and never leave it because that's the best you'll get. ------------- If you're looking for a livable, walkable, lively section of the city, then you should check out Polk Gulch, North Beach, Hayes Valley, the Haight, and the Mission. They all have pros and cons, but they're all better than living in SoMa. However, this is all moot if you just want to check out the startup scene in SOMA and not actually stay there for more than a day or two.
evgen 17y ago
Assuming that by "magic" you are looking to network for business opportunities rather than socialize and be a tourist, then you are probably better served by starting off with a scan of meetups and semi-organized gatherings that fit your needs and work back to a location from there. Since your schedule seems a bit open I would see if there is a major conference of some sort in the area that you want to attend. Arrive a couple of days before the conference to do a bit of preliminary face-to-face networking, work the conference, and then have a plan to follow-up in person with leads and related meetups and gatherings. Depending on what your company is doing, your are probably going to be better off looking at the Palo Alto & Mountain View area for housing -- there are hacker houses and extended stay hotels available, possibly some short-term rentals, and SF is just a train ride away. Most of the bay area tech scene is not actually in SF and being mid-peninsula will give you more options.

12 points by geoffw8 17y ago

pclark 17y ago

whats your startup?

jpeterson 17y ago

In my opinion, this is a horrible time for you to be checking out San Francisco. You've just got seed funding--why do you want to blow that on one of the most expensive places to stay in the US? This is when you should be very frugal and concentrate on creating a kick-ass product. Worry about location later.

geoffw8 17y ago
Completely agree. Its not something I'm looking to do right away, I just wanted to put the feelers out nice and early...

haseman 17y ago

1000$-1500$ a month for a studio-1bedroom. Magic happens: The Mission, SOMA, North Beach (more of an LA scene over there) Most of the tech stuff happens in those areas but a lot of it happens down in the south bay.

mmt 17y ago
Indeed, I find it rather telling that, though PG extolls the virtues of San Francisco, YC is in the South Bay. Personally, I think that's where it belongs and that having "everything" be "so nearby" in a city is both a fiction and overstated as a benefit.
- haseman 17y ago
  I live in the mission. It's amazing to be able to walk between a dozen coffee shops and bike to work. But it's not for everyone, it's especially not for people who don't want to sell one of their organs each month to pay the rent.
  - j_baker 17y ago
    I love the mission. I wish I could move there so bad.
- mhartl 17y ago
  PG extols the virtues of Silicon Valley, which is basically coincident with the South Bay. He actively dissuades (unsuccessfully, in many cases) YC founders from living in SF.

enki 17y ago

500-900$ if you're willing to live with others. soma, mission, north beach are startup central - the rest is down in the south bay

gtani 17y ago

hacker houses in/around SF (palo alto and Mtn View are close enough http://searchyc.com/hacker+house http://searchyc.com/hacker+house toilet, whiteboard http://divvyshot.com/photo/ltIwP/ http://divvyshot.com/photo/ltIwP/

nym 17y ago

You only really need to wear kevlar in Oakland by the way. On the other hand, that's where the hipsters go to keep it real.

timr 17y ago
Technically, it's where the artists go to live without going broke. The hipsters just follow.

jamesk2 17y ago

For housing: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/ http://sfbay.craigslist.org/ - for shared rooms and sublets. For tech companies: http://www.wayfaring.com/maps/show/4358 http://www.wayfaring.com/maps/show/4358 - this is a map of many of the tech companies in the area. For activities, check out http://meetup.com http://meetup.com - there are lots of tech activities all over the area.

dasht 17y ago

(My comment is redundant with some of the others but I wrote it before reading them. I figure it's helpful to see concurring opinions.) I think that you will find such short term rentals difficult but not impossible to come by. As a fallback, though it isn't a very exciting option, there are various hotel-but-with-kitchens businesses that specialize in short-term rentals. The rental market is laid fairly bare on Craigslist for the SF Bay Area. There you might find, closer to the time of your travel, temporary sublet or roommate opportunities. You don't make clear what you mean by "magic". I'll take two guesses that you mean either crazy Bay Area culture or insane Bay Area business networking opportunities. For culture, consider Berkeley (in the flats, not the hills) or, within The City (S.F.) consider the Castro, Haight, N. Beach, or SOMA neighborhoods (given your Kevlar aversion, I'd suggest avoiding the Tenderloin). For business, I am guessing a bit but consider SOMA or, for a complete twist into a kind of bland suburban hell (but close to a lot of VCs and start-ups) consider heading south on the peninsula to Mtn. View or Palo Alto or somewhere around there. I'd caution against most of Oakland. In the hills you'll be isolated from action. In many parts of the flats, you'll wish for your Kevlar. There are excellent and peaceful and vibrant places to live in Oakland but if you are picking from afar, don't count on your ability to tell them from the not so good places. Similarly, sadly, avoid Richmond. If you time your visit for early summer, after the Universities end their spring semester, the chances of finding nice short-term sublets or roommate situations goes way up. I think some of the price quotes you got below are not impossible but you should expect higher. Be very careful not to get scammed when negotiating a deal from afar (of course). -t

nolanbrown23 17y ago

I'm moving to the East Bay, taking BART into the city. While I know it's not a perfect situation, it's easier access to SF than South Bay. Look in Berkeley, Emeryville and Rockridge. Also try http://padmapper.com http://padmapper.com, it's been invaluable to me.

burnout1540 17y ago

When you say "magic", what do you mean exactly? Where is the startup action? Or where is the fun/excitement/nightlife? If you meant the second, read on. Lots of people seem to be recommending SOMA. As someone who lived in SOMA for almost 2 years, take my advice: SOMA sucks. Due to the large warehouses and apartment complexes, SOMA throws away one of the city's best traits: its human scale and the "walkability" that brings. - Want to walk to a reasonably priced dinner within half a mile? You have about 4 choices if you're in SOMA. - Want to go to a corner store at 10 PM? You're out of luck if you're in SOMA. - Want to bar hop? You'll take about 3 hops if you're in SOMA. - Want to feel like you're a part of a living city and meet other people? In SOMA (not counting the Embarcadero), you'll see about one person on the sidewalk every two blocks after business hours are over. - Want to enjoy the city's grand views and expansive parks? In SOMA, get an apartment in a highrise and never leave it because that's the best you'll get. ------------- If you're looking for a livable, walkable, lively section of the city, then you should check out Polk Gulch, North Beach, Hayes Valley, the Haight, and the Mission. They all have pros and cons, but they're all better than living in SoMa. However, this is all moot if you just want to check out the startup scene in SOMA and not actually stay there for more than a day or two.

evgen 17y ago

Assuming that by "magic" you are looking to network for business opportunities rather than socialize and be a tourist, then you are probably better served by starting off with a scan of meetups and semi-organized gatherings that fit your needs and work back to a location from there. Since your schedule seems a bit open I would see if there is a major conference of some sort in the area that you want to attend. Arrive a couple of days before the conference to do a bit of preliminary face-to-face networking, work the conference, and then have a plan to follow-up in person with leads and related meetups and gatherings. Depending on what your company is doing, your are probably going to be better off looking at the Palo Alto & Mountain View area for housing -- there are hacker houses and extended stay hotels available, possibly some short-term rentals, and SF is just a train ride away. Most of the bay area tech scene is not actually in SF and being mid-peninsula will give you more options.