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WEB DEVELOPER (DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES)
- first_account 12y agoI hope I get it.
- semmem1 12y agoWhy is this being posted? Its not like they are expecting any special skill that anyone who works for minimum wage would not have.
- skrowl 12y agoI think that's the joke. Must have HUGE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE IN ALL THE THINGS (with bonus "Hosting" on GitHub)! Pay rate: $12/hr.
- danielsamuels 12y agoGithub hosts code, Github also hosts websites. It's not too outrageous.
- JSno 12y agookay.....I get it....
- unoti 12y agoThe real punch line would be if they offered equity in exchange for the low salary.
- rjuyal 12y agoSerious! Is this the average hourly rate for a web dev in Los Angeles?
- base698 12y agoIt's off by about an order by magnitude.
- mehrzad 12y agoIt is not. I made more than this as an intern [in high school at the time] in nice parts of LA at very small firms.
- akcreek 12y agoMy ecommerce business is based out of Los Angeles and our shipping clerk gets that. I wish he knew a dozen programming languages... unfortunately he is still training on email. He can pack the hell out of a box though.
- atmosx 12y agoYou made me LOL "[...] I wish he knew a dozen programming languages... unfortunately he is still training on email."
- GBond 12y agoImpressive stack, must be a undercover Google R&D project for fashion VR: • HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript, JQuery, XML, ASP.NET, PHP, SQL. • CMS: WordPress, Drupal, Magento, Joomla. • Web Server Package: LAMP, XAMPP, WAMP. • Web Hosting: BlueHost, GoDaddy, HostGator. • IDE: NetBeans, Notepad++, Dreamweaver, PhpSt • Java, C, C++, C#, Prolog, Scheme. • Hosting: GitHub • IDE: Eclipse, NetBeans, CodeBlocks, Dev-C++, SWI-Prolog, DrRacket. • Web Design: Adobe suite
- carsongross 12y agoOnce again, we see the terrible effects of there being not enough technical talent here in the United States. As we are constantly told by the VCs and large tech firms, we need to open up the green card immigration program to allow developers in who will do the jobs that Americans just won't do. Like, for example, being a full stack web developer who does QA, customer support and data scrubbing for 12 bucks an hour while living in one of America's most expensive cities. /s
- RoryH 12y agoSame shit different country (Ireland)... this is very much an international problem, and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO.
- trentmb 12y ago> and the reason why software is a good career choice IMO. I wouldn't know, I can't even get an entry level gig.
- ch4s3 12y agoIf you don't mind me asking, where are you located and what is your general skill set? Do you do web dev? Are you self taught?
- jeffreyhamby 12y agoFollow his profile, you'll end up here https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentbradley
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- andrewstuart2 12y agoI do agree with you, but to be fair, this is only a single post, likely from some company that either has no idea what they're doing or is deliberately interested in exploiting someone in desperate need of a job.
- vezzy-fnord 12y agoI didn't know Scheme and Prolog programmers were this underpaid.
- McRask 12y agoAll this is missing is an experience requirement for longer than some technology has existed.
- harkyns_castle 12y agoThose ones really crack me up. Its the first filter of the clowns that have no idea what they're talking about. The other glaring one that normally gets/got me back in the day that Java == JavaScript to all agencies.
- astolarz 12y agoThe problem with the logic in your last statement is that you're using == when you should be using ===.
- chadillac 12y ago15+ years experience with Node.js and Go a big +++
- Artemis2 12y agoAlso 5+ years with Swift would be a real advantage.
- larrymcp 12y agoI enjoyed "Must multitask by helping answering phones" too.
- tommccabe 12y agoDon't forget your two references.
- sah88 12y agoAt least they are paying. Check out this one for "volunteers" http://letscreateapp.com/LCA%20careers.html http://letscreateapp.com/LCA%20careers.html
- harkyns_castle 12y agoIts flexible, that's the real draw. I'd definitely go for it, being one of the "creatives".
- alanmoo 12y agoThat site is surely a joke, no?
- gk1 12y agoIn case anyone's curious what their site is actually built with: http://builtwith.com/mnmcouture.com http://builtwith.com/mnmcouture.com Funny how they mention Magento, but the site is actually on Volusion.
- forloop 12y agoPersonally, I'm learning to code in Python, and once I do will probably work for $3 per hour doing remote work via a freelancing site. At the moment I'm going through Flask— which shouldn't take more than a couple of days to grok at a basic level. I made a CRUD site a few years ago, so it's not like I'm starting for zero. Anyway, working for below minimum wage is economically rational. Once I have more experience I'll command more money, or create products for myself.
- mantas 12y agoDon't go that way. Seriously. It's better to offer your services for free to local non-profits than work for peanuts. The main thing is that clients who pay the lowest also treat you the worst. You'll meet a lot of unreasonable demands and overally crappy people while working those very low wage projects. Go to your local non-profits and offer them your services for free. Be clear that you're just learning and that's why you'd make them a web page or an intranet app for free. You'll get to learn, some feedback, more or less honest customers and karma points. Once you got experience and portfolio, you can go after the better paying projects (~$10/h or so) that are run by sane people who will treat you well. Source: Started freelancing back in high school, almost 10 years in business.
- suzzer99 12y agoI learned web programming by building an e-commerce site from scratch in Perl the late 90s. When all was said and done, my partner and I split $2k, which brought my hourly rate to $1-$2/hour. But for 10 years I made $55-$75/hour maintaining that thing - which I hadn't really foreseen I just wanted to learn web programming. The point is it can be worthwhile.
- mantas 12y agoI think we're talking about different things. Did you do freelancing on Elance/Odesk/etc? I agree that doing a useful real world project for learning is great. If you get paid for it, it's even better. But cheapass clients on those websites are usually a different kind. People want to have a {popular thing} clone or {popular thing} meets {another popular thing} and don't really understand neither what they want from the freelancer nor what they want as the final delivery. Of course, there're good but cheap projects on those marketplaces as well. But as a beginner, it's way too use to stumble upon let's say... not very pleasant clients. Thus if money is not the issue, I'd recommend going the non-profit way instead. They at least know what they want and usually appreciate your work.
- robotnoises 12y agohttp://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/los-angeles-web-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,11_IM508_KO12,25.htm http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/los-angeles-web-developer-...
- johnnyfaehell 12y agoI like how it's a Magento site but knowing Magento isn't required however knowing Scheme is.
- gk1 12y agoIt's not even a Magento site - it's Volusion.
- freyr 12y agoSWI-Prolog? DrRacket? This has to be a joke, right? They're obscure enough that a non-programmer wouldn't likely know they exist, yet nobody with a clue would request that of a web developer. The only plausible explanation I can fathom is that they Googled a list of IDEs and picked a few at random... or that this is a joke.
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- liquidise 12y ago[i pray] it is. Many of the technologies listed solve the same problems, yet knowledge of "all" is a "must". I've seen some mixed stacks, but never the Java, Scheme, ASP, PHP, C++ one.
- csharpminor 12y agoThis actually looks a lot like the product of someone asking several "tech savvy" friends what skills a web developer would need, and then pasting the results into a job announcement. This practice isn't limited to small shops either - I've seen multi-billion dollar companies (not in the tech sector) require a 4 year CS degree for a Wordpress developer position.
- sejje 12y agoI literally can't image the person, tech savvy or not, who would come up with DrRacket here. Or prolog. I agree with GP that its' just blind googling.
- dhimes 12y agoThis would also be a great way to warn other devs off of the company (note that the sites are given). I actually tried a couple of searches based on your comment and I really didn't get anything that wouldn't taken quite a bit of effort to piece together into this listing. "what does an expert web programmer know" "what does it take to be a web programmer" "what do I need to know to be a web programmer" This might be a warning written by someone who is leaving. In other words, with a less-than-friendly parting of ways, his/her final task was to write a job description to hire a replacement. If so, well played.
- harmonicon 12y agoI don't live in LA so am not too sure about the wage market there. But 12$/hr seems pretty low for any job, let alone a developer position, in the second largest city in the US? I bet some HR person came up with that stack and the corresponding pay.
- ryanSrich 12y agoI doubt this company has an HR person. They most likely stole another job post or this is a complete troll. $12/hr isn't a _bit_ low. It's about $100 per hour low.
- dhimes 12y agoAs I mentioned in another post, my guess is it's a disgruntled (ex-)employee who was tasked to make the ad. This is a warning to other devs.
- tehwebguy 12y agoI feel like this has to be some dev exacting revenge on these guys
- rtomayko 12y ago"Unfortunately, your request for a 5% raise was rejected. We're sorry to see you go. Can you help hire a replacement? Just write up a quick job posting w/ your basic work experience and daily routine. Thanks."
- atmosx 12y agoAny idea why do they need prolog? (I'm assuming that the person who compiled this has a clue, which is a thesis not very well supported by the posting itself...).
- kyleblarson 12y ago$12 bucks per hour? You could work at McDonalds in Seatac (just south of Seattle) and make $15.
- kevincennis 12y agoI believe $12/hour is also right around the starting wage at In-N-Out Burger in LA, just to put that into perspective.
- dgabriel 12y agoYou can clean houses for twice that, and the shit you have to deal with is far easier to handle.
- bvanslyke 12y agoDamn! I was going to apply to this but I only have experience with GoDaddy and BlueHost, but not HostGator. I'll have to take my Prolog experience elsewhere.
- kolbe 12y agoNow, I'm definitely not saying that anyone should do this, because I don't advocate any illegal actions. But, if they happened to get DDOS attacked, I would laugh heartily.
- jgh 12y agoScreenshotted for the eventual CL takedown: http://i.imgur.com/CsathsU.png http://i.imgur.com/CsathsU.png
- joeperks 12y agoIt will be those who think like you who survive the apocalypse. </humor>
- Ryoku 12y agoWow. I'm sad to admit we see a LOT of this kind of job posts in my city (Mexico city, Mexico). And they get plenty of answers too.
- harkyns_castle 12y agoGah. Bring on my IT union. I'll get the ball rolling if need be. Long as I don't get shot by affiliates of Jobs who like making wage agreements.
- bdcravens 12y agoTheir site is hosted on Volusion, a hosted ecommerce platform. Probably what they're really hiring for is someone to maintain the template and product SKUs, but figured they'd throw in a bunch of other bullet points related to "web development" thinking it'd get a better employee.
- aaronem 12y agoYep, that's the fashion industry for you.
- aint 12y agoThey didn't specify the future employee's legal status in the country. Are they accepting resumes from the "undocumented illegal aliens"?
- pdevr 12y agoThe killer line: "Experience in the following programs is a must." Followed by 35 tools/technologies!
- oAlbe 12y agoI thought these things happened only here in Italy. It's kind of relieving to know that we are not the only ones in this situation.
- burncycle 12y agoAlso, background in machine learning, algorithms research, data mining and large dataset visualization, and real-time optimization. Must multi-task by making coffee, making sure bathrooms are well-stocked with paper goods, occasionally running out to perform errands, walk owner's dogs, etc. Not required but preferred: deep background in robotics research, computer vision, AI, mechanical engineering. Must agree to compliment owner on inherent genius in all areas, and also render compliments on owner's cars, sexual achievements, and financial accomplishments. Candidates with background in deep-space communications, global mobile technology, and mathematical research requisite for those areas of expertise given special consideration. Successful applicant will be asked periodically to perform remedial sexual services, ritual degradation, self-flogging, coprophagic activities, etc. Position offers no insurance benefits.
- harkyns_castle 12y agoTempted to apply and send them some NSA-ridden hard drives to get them started.
- tombrossman 12y agoJust did a quick 'whois' on the second domain mentioned (COUTURESHOPELA·COM) and see it has never been registered. I bet some enterprising developer could register it in less than one hour and sell it to them for a bit more than $12. Any takers?
- ivraatiems 12y agoIf we define expertise in all the things this post lists at the same level of depth with which the person who posted it understands web design, my semester of Scheme and DrRacket makes me overqualified! I'm almost tempted to email them and just ask them to define some of the terms they used in this post.
- andrewflnr 12y agoI love how after the enormous list of ridiculous requirements, they have, "SEO Knowledge is prefered but not required." Just tops it off perfectly.
- fit2rule 12y agoAll they have to do is walk out their cushy hipster pad in the garment district down to skid row, and they can probably find 50 qualified individuals for the price ..
- dingleberry1j 12y agoI write really long SQL statements like this: SELECT tblDisease.RespRate_Mod FROM tblPTtoDX JOIN tblDisease ON tblPTtoDX.DiseaseID = tblDisease.DiseaseID JOIN tblAllPatients ON tblPTtoDX.PatientID = tblAllPatients.PatientID WHERE tblPTtoDX.PatientID= + patientID Will you hire me?
- jaworrom 12y agoI think they left off the extra 0, no?
- sktrdie 12y agoActually, 12 per hour is about 1900 a month. Not bad. Here in Italy, I'm doing development work at a University for far less than that.
- IgorPartola 12y agoSo I am not a fan of recruiters, ever since the very first one I dealt with tried to screw me on salary. But I did an interesting thing as a consulting gig once: I got paid to interview a guy for a first technical hire at a company. Basically, it was two non-tech cofounders and they needed a developer. They put out ads, got resumes, then realized they don't know how to interview a developer. Friend of a friend of a friend referral => I got to talk to them. Charged them for an hour of work to interview their top candidate and gave them my conclusion. Always wondered if this is a better business model than non-technical recruiters, at least for a part of the process. And getting paid by the hour means I don't have a conflict of interest to say the candidate is great.
- sente 12y agohttp://i.imgur.com/q6lzN9x.png http://i.imgur.com/q6lzN9x.png -- Here's a screenshot for anyone who might stumble upon this thread in the future, because craigslist deletes posts after a couple weeks.
- BrandonMarc 12y agoIs $24,000 per year even above the poverty line for SF? That's a giant list of expert qualifications for just a tiny bit more than someone gets their first day flipping burgers.