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Thankfully, Emacs maintainer Stefan Monnier is being sensible about this: > As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support in

Thankfully, Emacs maintainer Stefan Monnier is being sensible about this: > As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00498.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00...

dekhn 12y ago
Yeah. What's especially painful is RMS is basically saying "Hey folks, I want to block this until I can research the issue." And then his research is "I don't know anuything about this, can anybody tell me what LLDB is?" My guess is (based on his past statements) that he doesn't browse the web, or browses it through emacs sending mail to him (really!) and doesn't use search so he can't really find out what LLDB is. Do you really want to be beholden to a person who blocks software integration (into a unified debugger interface) and then can't even do reearch to justify that?
- longlivegnu 12y ago
  Yes, RMS does not "browse the web" he has a server that runs a script sort of like wget or cURL.
  - protomyth 12y ago
    Is there a source for why he doesn't "browse the web"? I've read about how he does it, but the articles I have seen are very light on the reason.
    - tjr 12y ago
      https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html I've never heard him flat-out say "why", but it sure appears to be in order to maximize anonymity / privacy on the web.
- pekk 12y ago
  That isn't what his research is. I should think RMS has standing to ask for people to think about consequences of things like this.
- chimeracoder 12y ago
  > My guess is (based on his past statements) that he doesn't browse the web, or browses it through emacs sending mail to him (really!) Just FYI, pg described his browsing setup at one point a few years ago, and it was actually fairly similar. (It was in a follow-up comment to "Disconnecting Distraction", if I remember correctly. I don't do it myself, but it can be a great way to force yourself to be productive and only read the things you really want to read, instead of getting sucked into aimless browsing. When you think about it, it's really just a poor man's version of Pocket or Instapaper.)
hga 12y ago
I read a big caveat in the clause "So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer" Then again I first became aware of this latest cycle when I think a message from him threatening a fork became a Hacker News topic (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8861360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8861360), followed by several others with a lot of discussion.
Tomte 12y ago
I had never expected RMS to let go of his child, but the moment he handed over maintainership of Emacs was really a new starting point. A lot of bickering just went away, and pragmatism played at least some role from then on. (Obviously not at any cost, he chose his successor(s) very well, so they are trusted and are committed to Free Software) In the linked thread RMS is a bit detached from reality, IMO, but still very reasonable. In the other thread where this whole LLDB drama started he was simply obnoxious and a bully, even insulting and driving out a contributor.

dekhn 12y ago

Yeah. What's especially painful is RMS is basically saying "Hey folks, I want to block this until I can research the issue." And then his research is "I don't know anuything about this, can anybody tell me what LLDB is?" My guess is (based on his past statements) that he doesn't browse the web, or browses it through emacs sending mail to him (really!) and doesn't use search so he can't really find out what LLDB is. Do you really want to be beholden to a person who blocks software integration (into a unified debugger interface) and then can't even do reearch to justify that?

longlivegnu 12y ago
Yes, RMS does not "browse the web" he has a server that runs a script sort of like wget or cURL.
- protomyth 12y ago
  Is there a source for why he doesn't "browse the web"? I've read about how he does it, but the articles I have seen are very light on the reason.
  - tjr 12y ago
    https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html I've never heard him flat-out say "why", but it sure appears to be in order to maximize anonymity / privacy on the web.
pekk 12y ago
That isn't what his research is. I should think RMS has standing to ask for people to think about consequences of things like this.
chimeracoder 12y ago
> My guess is (based on his past statements) that he doesn't browse the web, or browses it through emacs sending mail to him (really!) Just FYI, pg described his browsing setup at one point a few years ago, and it was actually fairly similar. (It was in a follow-up comment to "Disconnecting Distraction", if I remember correctly. I don't do it myself, but it can be a great way to force yourself to be productive and only read the things you really want to read, instead of getting sucked into aimless browsing. When you think about it, it's really just a poor man's version of Pocket or Instapaper.)

hga 12y ago

I read a big caveat in the clause "So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer" Then again I first became aware of this latest cycle when I think a message from him threatening a fork became a Hacker News topic (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8861360 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8861360), followed by several others with a lot of discussion.

Tomte 12y ago

I had never expected RMS to let go of his child, but the moment he handed over maintainership of Emacs was really a new starting point. A lot of bickering just went away, and pragmatism played at least some role from then on. (Obviously not at any cost, he chose his successor(s) very well, so they are trusted and are committed to Free Software) In the linked thread RMS is a bit detached from reality, IMO, but still very reasonable. In the other thread where this whole LLDB drama started he was simply obnoxious and a bully, even insulting and driving out a contributor.