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Neither FN (Le Pen) nor UKIP has any chance of winning power in their respective countries regardless of economic conditions. The local centers of wealth and p

Neither FN (Le Pen) nor UKIP has any chance of winning power in their respective countries regardless of economic conditions. The local centers of wealth and power in each nation is committed to transnational politics and mass importation of cheap labor to control and depress wages of working people. They own the media and the mainstream parties and will not allow that control to fade. If necessary, the Labor and Tory parties will unite and dissolve their differences in order to defeat UKIP.

tsotha 12y ago
>Neither FN (Le Pen) nor UKIP has any chance of winning power in their respective countries regardless of economic conditions. I wouldn't be too sure about that. I don't know much about FN, but it isn't at all inconceivable UKIP could win an outright majority in the UK.
- alextgordon 12y ago
  UKIP are unlikely to win seats in London, Scotland, Wales or NI, which are 190 out of 650 seats. That means they'd have to win >71% of the remaining English seats for an outright majority.
  - tsotha 12y ago
    I don't know why you think they can't win seats in those areas, particularly as anti-EU sentiment increases.
    - alextgordon 12y ago
      UKIP won't win in London because London is full of migrants. These migrants are unlikely to vote for their own christmas, so to speak. UKIP won't win in Scotland, Wales, or NI because these areas already have alternative parties (SNP, Plaid Cymru, DUP). Anti-EU sentiment has actually been decreasing as UKIP support increases[1]. In 2013 and before, most people wanted to leave the EU, but now it's more of a wash. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union#Standard_polling_on_EU_membership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_...
- NotableAlamode 12y ago
  This is inconceivable. However, UKIP has an important influence on UK politics even if they only win a few seats in the sense that both major parties are mortally afraid of loosing voters to UKIP. To avoid that, the big parties take some of UKIPs policies on board.
sbmassey 12y ago
I can't imagine that a unified Conservative and Labour party in the UK would do anything but utterly disgust their respective voters, and ensure a UKIP victory.
atmosx 12y ago
Well, I can't say what will happen in the UK. Time will tell but nothing is impossible. You seem to underestimate widespread despair and irritation the EU spread throughout Europe. SYRIZA in 4 years grew from a 4% party to a 36.5%. Now it is steadily floating above 40%. The local centers of wealth controlling the mainstream media outlets are strongly against SYRIZA, making counter-arguments and spreading panic at every step the current government takes, which results in further popularity spikes. Take a look and how the NSDAP rose to power in (1925-33). It's kind of watching history repeating itself like a farse. Even in Germany today, the anti-immigration 'Pegida' party on the rise[1]. In 2014 EU elections the FN came first[2]. That was before all this anti-islam frenzy driven by the Charlie Hebdo tragedy, alledged Jihadists killing live one hostage after another, etc. Keep in mind that Hollande was a huge disappointment for the French population and since each vote counts equally I can't see how bankers are going to protect the current 'status quo' in France. What Varoufakis says (that the only ones who will benefit from austerity are the extremists) is totally spot on and it's already happening... [1] http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jan/13/german-anti-immigration-party-only-minor-force-pegida http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jan/13/german-... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2...
- WildUtah 12y ago
  If Le Pen can make it to the second round in France, it will be in Hollande's place. Sarko will be Le Pen's opponent and will win 70+% of the vote, most of Sarko's support coming from socialist voters. And remember NSDAP could do what it did only because of the Communists; NSDAP alone never had the support of even a quarter of DE voters. There are no more Communists around. Well, hardly any.

tsotha 12y ago

>Neither FN (Le Pen) nor UKIP has any chance of winning power in their respective countries regardless of economic conditions. I wouldn't be too sure about that. I don't know much about FN, but it isn't at all inconceivable UKIP could win an outright majority in the UK.

alextgordon 12y ago
UKIP are unlikely to win seats in London, Scotland, Wales or NI, which are 190 out of 650 seats. That means they'd have to win >71% of the remaining English seats for an outright majority.
- tsotha 12y ago
  I don't know why you think they can't win seats in those areas, particularly as anti-EU sentiment increases.
  - alextgordon 12y ago
    UKIP won't win in London because London is full of migrants. These migrants are unlikely to vote for their own christmas, so to speak. UKIP won't win in Scotland, Wales, or NI because these areas already have alternative parties (SNP, Plaid Cymru, DUP). Anti-EU sentiment has actually been decreasing as UKIP support increases[1]. In 2013 and before, most people wanted to leave the EU, but now it's more of a wash. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_Kingdom_membership_of_the_European_Union#Standard_polling_on_EU_membership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_referendum_on_United_...
NotableAlamode 12y ago
This is inconceivable. However, UKIP has an important influence on UK politics even if they only win a few seats in the sense that both major parties are mortally afraid of loosing voters to UKIP. To avoid that, the big parties take some of UKIPs policies on board.

sbmassey 12y ago

I can't imagine that a unified Conservative and Labour party in the UK would do anything but utterly disgust their respective voters, and ensure a UKIP victory.

atmosx 12y ago

Well, I can't say what will happen in the UK. Time will tell but nothing is impossible. You seem to underestimate widespread despair and irritation the EU spread throughout Europe. SYRIZA in 4 years grew from a 4% party to a 36.5%. Now it is steadily floating above 40%. The local centers of wealth controlling the mainstream media outlets are strongly against SYRIZA, making counter-arguments and spreading panic at every step the current government takes, which results in further popularity spikes. Take a look and how the NSDAP rose to power in (1925-33). It's kind of watching history repeating itself like a farse. Even in Germany today, the anti-immigration 'Pegida' party on the rise[1]. In 2014 EU elections the FN came first[2]. That was before all this anti-islam frenzy driven by the Charlie Hebdo tragedy, alledged Jihadists killing live one hostage after another, etc. Keep in mind that Hollande was a huge disappointment for the French population and since each vote counts equally I can't see how bankers are going to protect the current 'status quo' in France. What Varoufakis says (that the only ones who will benefit from austerity are the extremists) is totally spot on and it's already happening... [1] http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jan/13/german-anti-immigration-party-only-minor-force-pegida http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/jan/13/german-... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(France) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2...

WildUtah 12y ago
If Le Pen can make it to the second round in France, it will be in Hollande's place. Sarko will be Le Pen's opponent and will win 70+% of the vote, most of Sarko's support coming from socialist voters. And remember NSDAP could do what it did only because of the Communists; NSDAP alone never had the support of even a quarter of DE voters. There are no more Communists around. Well, hardly any.