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You might want to take a couple seconds to think about all the ways that taxation is different from actual slavery, and how clueless and asinine your comments l

You might want to take a couple seconds to think about all the ways that taxation is different from actual slavery, and how clueless and asinine your comments look in light of that. Taxation doesn't control who you can marry. Taxation doesn't confiscate your children. Taxation doesn't prevent you from practicing your religion. Taxation doesn't require you to take the name of the person who owns you. Taxation doesn't deliberately keep you ignorant and uneducated. Taxation doesn't beat you to death if you try to escape (it is trivially easy to renounce your US citizenship). Taxation doesn't tell you are less than a human because of your national origin. Taxation doesn't make you owned by one person, a thing that can be sold to another person. Get some freaking perspective.

innguest 12y ago
I hope your use of adjectives has calmed down your nerves. > You might want to take a couple seconds to think about all the ways that taxation is different from actual slavery I've thought and read about this for more than a couple of seconds, but if it makes you feel edgy to make unfounded statements about how much research your interlocutor has put into what he has said, then whatever floats your boat. > Taxation doesn't control who you can marry. Tell that to gay people in the US. > Taxation doesn't confiscate your children. Tell that to those whose children have been unfairly taken away by CPS (there was a terrifying experience related on HN not long ago). > Taxation doesn't prevent you from practicing your religion. Religion is bigotry justified and made immune to criticism via holy books. I'm against them so I don't care about this point. > Taxation doesn't require you to take the name of the person who owns you. It does require you to get official papers, documents, and IDs registered with the oppressor, plus a passport and all your fingerprints to go from one tax farm to another. > Taxation doesn't deliberately keep you ignorant and uneducated. It sure does with the Prussian education model we use in the US, and you're anecdotal proof of that. > Taxation doesn't beat you to death if you try to escape (it is trivially easy to renounce your US citizenship) From Wikipedia: Renunciation of U.S. citizenship was free until July 2010, at which time a fee of $450 was established.[29] An increase to $2,350, effective September 12, 2014, was justified as "reflective of the true cost" of processing.[30] So it's only "trivially easy" for those that have $2,350 in the bank which if you look at the statistics for the US isn't that many people. > Taxation doesn't tell you are less than a human because of your national origin. Tell that to the Palestinians. > Taxation doesn't make you owned by one person, a thing that can be sold to another person. Tell that to the Greeks whose work and life savings are being negotiated to be sold to international banksters as we speak. Good try though. Try again. This time try doing doing it better.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  >Tell that to gay people in the US. Not taxes. >CPS Not taxes. >documents You have to tell them what your name is. This is not the same as them telling you what your name is. >education Taxes pay for that but it's optional. >Renunciation of U.S. citizenship If you're poor then you pretty much don't pay taxes anyway. >Tell that to the Palestinians. Sorry, let me clear my throat. TAXes, not TANks. >Tell that to the Greeks This is a complicated situation, but it's mostly repercussions of government spending without enough taxes to back it up. If anything it shows a way to screw up not taxing. >Try again. Yeah, you too. After you look up what taxes are.
  - innguest 12y ago
    When you say "not taxes" you're overlooking that it is through paying taxes that you acknowledge that you will abide by your State's laws. That is why I say that it is taxes that, for instance, disallow a woman to marry another woman. Marriage (through the State) is a tax-discount. People only want to get married for the tax discount. When the State doesn't let gay people marry, it doesn't let them get a tax discount. If there were no taxes, there would be no difference between married and unmarried, and this point would be moot. I understand this is a long-shot argument but I do honestly see it this way - to me marrying without the State is just moving in together and anyone, gay or not, can do that. What gays want is the tax discount that the State is unfairly allocating only to straight couples. Through taxation, therefore, the State can encourage and discourage behavior. So yes, it is taxes that are keeping gay people from getting a tax discount. I hope this is now clear. Paying taxes for public schooling is not optional. I don't understand why you would say that when you know you're lying. Maybe you mean it's optional to go to a public school? That is irrelevant. It is not optional to pay taxes for public education. Regarding name, your parent tell the State what your name is, and from this point on it is the State that tells you what your name is according to your parents. You don't get to pick it. You don't tell the State, your parents do. They do because they are forced to. They are forced to because the State wants to collect taxes from the parents' newborn. If the State did not want to collect taxes from people it would not force parents to name their children with the State. Also a bigger points I should have made earlier: maybe you should look up what slavery is. Because it has nothing to do with controlling who you marry, confiscating children, not allowing to practice religion, requiring one to change one's name, keeping one ignorant and uneducated nor discriminating against place of birth. Slavery: the state of being a slave. Slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. Are you forced to pay taxes? Yes. Remember, I never argued taxes = slavery. I argue taxes = scam and if you dial taxes up to 100% that scam becomes slavery. So slavery is the end of the tax scam spectrum.

innguest 12y ago

I hope your use of adjectives has calmed down your nerves. > You might want to take a couple seconds to think about all the ways that taxation is different from actual slavery I've thought and read about this for more than a couple of seconds, but if it makes you feel edgy to make unfounded statements about how much research your interlocutor has put into what he has said, then whatever floats your boat. > Taxation doesn't control who you can marry. Tell that to gay people in the US. > Taxation doesn't confiscate your children. Tell that to those whose children have been unfairly taken away by CPS (there was a terrifying experience related on HN not long ago). > Taxation doesn't prevent you from practicing your religion. Religion is bigotry justified and made immune to criticism via holy books. I'm against them so I don't care about this point. > Taxation doesn't require you to take the name of the person who owns you. It does require you to get official papers, documents, and IDs registered with the oppressor, plus a passport and all your fingerprints to go from one tax farm to another. > Taxation doesn't deliberately keep you ignorant and uneducated. It sure does with the Prussian education model we use in the US, and you're anecdotal proof of that. > Taxation doesn't beat you to death if you try to escape (it is trivially easy to renounce your US citizenship) From Wikipedia: Renunciation of U.S. citizenship was free until July 2010, at which time a fee of $450 was established.[29] An increase to $2,350, effective September 12, 2014, was justified as "reflective of the true cost" of processing.[30] So it's only "trivially easy" for those that have $2,350 in the bank which if you look at the statistics for the US isn't that many people. > Taxation doesn't tell you are less than a human because of your national origin. Tell that to the Palestinians. > Taxation doesn't make you owned by one person, a thing that can be sold to another person. Tell that to the Greeks whose work and life savings are being negotiated to be sold to international banksters as we speak. Good try though. Try again. This time try doing doing it better.

Dylan16807 12y ago
>Tell that to gay people in the US. Not taxes. >CPS Not taxes. >documents You have to tell them what your name is. This is not the same as them telling you what your name is. >education Taxes pay for that but it's optional. >Renunciation of U.S. citizenship If you're poor then you pretty much don't pay taxes anyway. >Tell that to the Palestinians. Sorry, let me clear my throat. TAXes, not TANks. >Tell that to the Greeks This is a complicated situation, but it's mostly repercussions of government spending without enough taxes to back it up. If anything it shows a way to screw up not taxing. >Try again. Yeah, you too. After you look up what taxes are.
- innguest 12y ago
  When you say "not taxes" you're overlooking that it is through paying taxes that you acknowledge that you will abide by your State's laws. That is why I say that it is taxes that, for instance, disallow a woman to marry another woman. Marriage (through the State) is a tax-discount. People only want to get married for the tax discount. When the State doesn't let gay people marry, it doesn't let them get a tax discount. If there were no taxes, there would be no difference between married and unmarried, and this point would be moot. I understand this is a long-shot argument but I do honestly see it this way - to me marrying without the State is just moving in together and anyone, gay or not, can do that. What gays want is the tax discount that the State is unfairly allocating only to straight couples. Through taxation, therefore, the State can encourage and discourage behavior. So yes, it is taxes that are keeping gay people from getting a tax discount. I hope this is now clear. Paying taxes for public schooling is not optional. I don't understand why you would say that when you know you're lying. Maybe you mean it's optional to go to a public school? That is irrelevant. It is not optional to pay taxes for public education. Regarding name, your parent tell the State what your name is, and from this point on it is the State that tells you what your name is according to your parents. You don't get to pick it. You don't tell the State, your parents do. They do because they are forced to. They are forced to because the State wants to collect taxes from the parents' newborn. If the State did not want to collect taxes from people it would not force parents to name their children with the State. Also a bigger points I should have made earlier: maybe you should look up what slavery is. Because it has nothing to do with controlling who you marry, confiscating children, not allowing to practice religion, requiring one to change one's name, keeping one ignorant and uneducated nor discriminating against place of birth. Slavery: the state of being a slave. Slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. Are you forced to pay taxes? Yes. Remember, I never argued taxes = slavery. I argue taxes = scam and if you dial taxes up to 100% that scam becomes slavery. So slavery is the end of the tax scam spectrum.