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> Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. No, it wasn't. It isn't. (I liked the improvements in 8.1 but that blanket statement from you is false)

engendered 12y ago
Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false. See, we can both do that. Fun. However in my case I'm supported by this very development, where Microsoft is essentially backtracking based upon enormous customer resistance and a backlash.
- throwawaykf05 12y ago
  >Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false. > See, we can both do that. Fun. Which immediately disproves your original assertion that the Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. That was just, like, your opinion, man.
- darklajid 12y ago
  And the article we're looking at here is complaining about moving away from the Windows 8 direction. The author seems to consider that a mistake and likes the Windows 8 way better. So do I. This is all subjective, just like your statements are. You just claim to speak for everyone/state facts. That's still wrong, ignoring that childish retort.
zamalek 12y ago
> No, it wasn't. It isn't. Disclaimer: Emphasis on SUBJECTIVE before you indicate my opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion. That's pretty-much what subjective means. I thought HN was smarter than this. Agreed, it's subjective. This is change aversion, not loss aversion. Humans don't like change, even if it is good for them. People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. The Windows 8 interface was scientifically superior[1] to the old one: people just didn't like the change. The Windows 10 one is closer to the older interface, people just don't like it because it's change. The big interaction areas (including the infinite one at the bottom left for the start menu) provided good mouse control. People would have found the keyboard control far superior if they had taken the 10 minutes to learn it, instead of complaining. Something is not "objectively terrible" if at least one person like it and, including myself, I know people who like the Win8 interface. I haven't tried Win10 yet but I'll probably like the interface because Microsoft are terrific at interface design. The only thing that Microsoft get wrong is that people don't like their cheese being moved. The Windows 7 interface was good, the Windows 8 interface was good and so will be the Windows 10. The very reason that people praise Apple interface design is because they keep feeding you the same junk over and over again and you all love it, the innovation there is that innovation is avoided in order to not rile up change aversion. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law
- wvenable 12y ago
  > People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. Comparatively, the classic Windows UI is terrible on touch-screen devices. Even combining both interfaces on one OS isn't terrible. But in Windows 8 they both bleed into each other in a way that is not good. Windows 10 combines them even more but I'll reserve judgement until I've tried it.
  - ubercow13 12y ago
    I only use W8 on the desktop, but how does Metro bleed into the desktop experience? The only part of it I ever see is the start screen, which is great
    - wvenable 12y ago
      The charms bar, hot corners, the Wifi setup panel, the login screen, the start screen, the associated app selector, the metro apps with associations to common file types, etc. I've personally turned off most of it and replaced the start menu with ClassicShell but it took a while. It's a pretty nice OS if you can completely hide metro.
      - ubercow13 12y ago
        Ah you're right I forgot about the metro app association dialog, that is really jarring
      - zamalek 12y ago
        > hot corners I hate that too. Disabled it. That's my opinion of the feature. However, that in addition to: > charms bar (Which I never use) is technically good UX design. Corners are super easy to position your mouse in. 100 out of 100 times you try and put your mouse cursor into the corner you will achieve that without fail. Both corner gestures (really hate them) and charms bar use that extensively. > Wifi setup panel, login screen Never had a problem with these, they do the job just fine. Just different. The Wifi panel is actually great UX because the process of setting up Wifi does not bounce all over the screen (as it did previously). > start screen Fitt's Law, look it up. If you don't like using the mouse you don't even have click anyway. WINKEY -> N -> O -> T, oh, notepad is up, ENTER. Done. Windows 8 taught me to let go of my mouse.

engendered 12y ago

Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false. See, we can both do that. Fun. However in my case I'm supported by this very development, where Microsoft is essentially backtracking based upon enormous customer resistance and a backlash.

throwawaykf05 12y ago
>Yes. It was. It is. This disagreement by you is false. > See, we can both do that. Fun. Which immediately disproves your original assertion that the Windows 8 on the desktop was objectively terrible. That was just, like, your opinion, man.
darklajid 12y ago
And the article we're looking at here is complaining about moving away from the Windows 8 direction. The author seems to consider that a mistake and likes the Windows 8 way better. So do I. This is all subjective, just like your statements are. You just claim to speak for everyone/state facts. That's still wrong, ignoring that childish retort.

zamalek 12y ago

> No, it wasn't. It isn't. Disclaimer: Emphasis on SUBJECTIVE before you indicate my opinion is wrong because you have a different opinion. That's pretty-much what subjective means. I thought HN was smarter than this. Agreed, it's subjective. This is change aversion, not loss aversion. Humans don't like change, even if it is good for them. People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. The Windows 8 interface was scientifically superior[1] to the old one: people just didn't like the change. The Windows 10 one is closer to the older interface, people just don't like it because it's change. The big interaction areas (including the infinite one at the bottom left for the start menu) provided good mouse control. People would have found the keyboard control far superior if they had taken the 10 minutes to learn it, instead of complaining. Something is not "objectively terrible" if at least one person like it and, including myself, I know people who like the Win8 interface. I haven't tried Win10 yet but I'll probably like the interface because Microsoft are terrific at interface design. The only thing that Microsoft get wrong is that people don't like their cheese being moved. The Windows 7 interface was good, the Windows 8 interface was good and so will be the Windows 10. The very reason that people praise Apple interface design is because they keep feeding you the same junk over and over again and you all love it, the innovation there is that innovation is avoided in order to not rile up change aversion. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

wvenable 12y ago
> People don't like Windows 8 UI because it was a change, and they don't like that they are changing it back. No, people don't like the Windows 8 UI because it's terrible on the desktop. Comparatively, the classic Windows UI is terrible on touch-screen devices. Even combining both interfaces on one OS isn't terrible. But in Windows 8 they both bleed into each other in a way that is not good. Windows 10 combines them even more but I'll reserve judgement until I've tried it.
- ubercow13 12y ago
  I only use W8 on the desktop, but how does Metro bleed into the desktop experience? The only part of it I ever see is the start screen, which is great
  - wvenable 12y ago
    The charms bar, hot corners, the Wifi setup panel, the login screen, the start screen, the associated app selector, the metro apps with associations to common file types, etc. I've personally turned off most of it and replaced the start menu with ClassicShell but it took a while. It's a pretty nice OS if you can completely hide metro.
    - ubercow13 12y ago
      Ah you're right I forgot about the metro app association dialog, that is really jarring
    - zamalek 12y ago
      > hot corners I hate that too. Disabled it. That's my opinion of the feature. However, that in addition to: > charms bar (Which I never use) is technically good UX design. Corners are super easy to position your mouse in. 100 out of 100 times you try and put your mouse cursor into the corner you will achieve that without fail. Both corner gestures (really hate them) and charms bar use that extensively. > Wifi setup panel, login screen Never had a problem with these, they do the job just fine. Just different. The Wifi panel is actually great UX because the process of setting up Wifi does not bounce all over the screen (as it did previously). > start screen Fitt's Law, look it up. If you don't like using the mouse you don't even have click anyway. WINKEY -> N -> O -> T, oh, notepad is up, ENTER. Done. Windows 8 taught me to let go of my mouse.