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I took the advice of some reviews on Netflix and just skipped the first episode altogether. I didn't find the second episode very believable (the setting seemed

I took the advice of some reviews on Netflix and just skipped the first episode altogether. I didn't find the second episode very believable (the setting seemed really over the top), but thought I'd try one more episode. The 3rd and 4th were significantly better.

Rapzid 12y ago
I didn't get that advice. There should be a warning on the site. I didn't find the episode shocking, just plain dumb. The rest of the episodes were much better but I do agree with the parent that the end of 2 was a bit meh.
- burnte 12y ago
  Maybe I'll jump back in to later episodes. It's hard to get things right directly out of the gate.
- kbrwn 12y ago
  What did you find to be dumb about the episode?
  - Rapzid 12y ago
    The Prime minister screws a pig on television to fill a ransom demand. The shocker after the ordeal is the victim was released an hour before he did. That's setting the bar pretty low. And for me, there were no redeeming qualities to raise it back up.
    - untog 12y ago
      Well, for me, the shocker was the public reaction to it. That people thought it was hilarious and goaded the Prime Minister into doing it, making it into a viral sensation. It was only as the act began that they realised the horror of the situation. More to the point, someone could have found the victim within that hour and stopped the whole thing, but no-one did because they were too preoccupied watching it on TV.
      - ashark 12y ago
        Exactly. The "oooooh" moment isn't when we find out about the early release. It's when we realize that the people the camera is showing you during the, ah, main event aren't the ones watching the most disgusting and degrading thing happening at that moment—that pleasure's been reserved for us. Then there's the framing and lighting on that last shot, which made me sit up straight and go, "oh, crap, I need to start paying closer attention to the film-nerd details in this show!"
nogridbag 12y ago
Wish I saw that advice! I didn't like the first episode at all, but the rest were great. My favorite episode was the Christmas Special, which is not on Netflix, but you can find it on youtube.
panzi 12y ago
I don't think it was meant to be believable. It was a parody. Also it seemed a bit autobiographical of Charlie Brooker to me (he was an anonymous internet critic first, then continuing criticizing the media that now pays him (TV wipe, weekly wipe, yearly wipe, etc.)). Also I think his wife was a casting show host or something like that.
gatehouse 12y ago
I really liked all of them, but episode 2 was probably my favourite of season 1. It is over the top compared to other parts of the series, but not compared to other experimental far future or alternate universe scifi. For example: Dark City, Idiocracy, Cube, Moon, Battle Royale, Maze Runner.
downandout 12y ago
I certainly hope so. I dropped out after the first 2, with the impression that it was among the worst shows I've ever seen. The second episode was just boring imo. The first was...well....a prime minister screwing a pig. I get that they were going for shock value, but usually there is a payoff for the viewer because the shocking part serves some larger purpose in a great story (like you might find in a show like Breaking Bad). No such payoff came in this case.
gojomo 12y ago
I liked the 1st episode, but when recommending the series I advise that each episode is different and stands alone. The 1st episode is extra-crude. It's very realistic in one dimension, its setting: it could be today, with no extra technology or cultural assumptions. But then it's absurd in another dimension: the extremeness of its unfolding events. I could tell right away that particular mix might not sit well with many people, even as the bold choices in the service of its themes impressed me. I suspect the episode has more impact the more familiar the viewer is with British culture around royals and tabloids. I liked its big questions: what happens when trolls/terrorists can outpace traditional authorities? How do you weigh embarrassment against life? Actual incidents since its original airdate – from the 'fappening' to ISIS to terrorists-wearing-GoPros – are only bringing us closer to its absurd world.
ufmace 12y ago
I just started watching this actually, and have only seen 1 and 2 so far. I'm already interested enough to watch some more, and this makes that sound more rewarding than I would have thought. I didn't like 2 that much actually. I feel like there wasn't enough of a background explanation of the world that the episode was set in to really relate to the characters or their situation. Where did all of these people come from, why are they riding bikes all the time, and why are they living in this crazy merits-based world? Exactly who is building and maintaining all of this high-tech gear for them? What are the rules, who is enforcing them, and why? What is the point of making people ride bikes all day? Etc, etc etc. I felt fascinated by the first episode, though. Yeah, the subject is crude, but I think it serves well to illustrate a number of trends of the modern world - just how much power there can be in mass media, and how impotent traditional authority structures can be against it when organized well. It's striking that, absurd as the situation is, no individual part of it is really impossible even today. Well, I will say that, while the individual pieces are not impossible, they would each take a lot of expertise in the appropriate field to set up. I don't think it's possible for all of that experience to exist in one person, or to find people with experience in the appropriate fields, bring them together, and get them all working towards a shared goal of something as absurd as getting the PM to fuck a pig, without the authorities finding out somehow.
- gojomo 12y ago
  '15 Million Merits' (S1E2) is my favorite. I see it as an intentionally abstract and allegorical world, more like a cartoon or fairy-tale. Yet even not knowing a realistic origin-story, its major characteristics are recognizable, as reductio ad absurdum extrapolations from our world. And in our world, aren't there an awful lot of arbitrary demands and limits we just accept, or are supported by thin just-so rationalizations? And why? Simply because it's all we've ever known, and everyone else is accepting them, and all the little rewards and penalties and media-messages from our engineered environment combine to just make us play our role. I think of this episode as "THX1138 for the American Idol/Candy Crush generation". Yet it's also separately interesting to wonder: could this be a literally-depicted location, somewhere in our future? A synthetic subsistence environment offered to surplus people? It's not blatantly cruel, and it offers plenty of entertainment and status-competition and food and exercise – even though we recognize it as a very small and manipulative sandbox. I think it's even possible, as an exercise, to imagine all the Black Mirror episodes as being different parts of the same continuity. 'The National Anthem' (S1E1) and 'The Waldo Moment' (S2E3) are both set any-day-now, with essentially no technology that doesn't already exist. 'White Bear' (S2E2) comes sometime not too far off, with only a smidge of new tech. 'Entire History of You' (S1E3) and 'Be Right Back' (S2E1) arrive a decade or few from now, then 'White Christmas' (S3EX?) another decade or few after that. And '15 Million Merits' (S1E2) occurs sometime indeterminate... but potentially as early as 'White Bear', as a engagement-optimized, 'compassionate' poor-house or prison or nursing-home for those with no prospects outside. (Compare to the synthetic Dutch 'village' for dementia patients: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-...)

Rapzid 12y ago

I didn't get that advice. There should be a warning on the site. I didn't find the episode shocking, just plain dumb. The rest of the episodes were much better but I do agree with the parent that the end of 2 was a bit meh.

burnte 12y ago
Maybe I'll jump back in to later episodes. It's hard to get things right directly out of the gate.
kbrwn 12y ago
What did you find to be dumb about the episode?
- Rapzid 12y ago
  The Prime minister screws a pig on television to fill a ransom demand. The shocker after the ordeal is the victim was released an hour before he did. That's setting the bar pretty low. And for me, there were no redeeming qualities to raise it back up.
  - untog 12y ago
    Well, for me, the shocker was the public reaction to it. That people thought it was hilarious and goaded the Prime Minister into doing it, making it into a viral sensation. It was only as the act began that they realised the horror of the situation. More to the point, someone could have found the victim within that hour and stopped the whole thing, but no-one did because they were too preoccupied watching it on TV.
    - ashark 12y ago
      Exactly. The "oooooh" moment isn't when we find out about the early release. It's when we realize that the people the camera is showing you during the, ah, main event aren't the ones watching the most disgusting and degrading thing happening at that moment—that pleasure's been reserved for us. Then there's the framing and lighting on that last shot, which made me sit up straight and go, "oh, crap, I need to start paying closer attention to the film-nerd details in this show!"

nogridbag 12y ago

Wish I saw that advice! I didn't like the first episode at all, but the rest were great. My favorite episode was the Christmas Special, which is not on Netflix, but you can find it on youtube.

panzi 12y ago

I don't think it was meant to be believable. It was a parody. Also it seemed a bit autobiographical of Charlie Brooker to me (he was an anonymous internet critic first, then continuing criticizing the media that now pays him (TV wipe, weekly wipe, yearly wipe, etc.)). Also I think his wife was a casting show host or something like that.

gatehouse 12y ago

I really liked all of them, but episode 2 was probably my favourite of season 1. It is over the top compared to other parts of the series, but not compared to other experimental far future or alternate universe scifi. For example: Dark City, Idiocracy, Cube, Moon, Battle Royale, Maze Runner.

downandout 12y ago

I certainly hope so. I dropped out after the first 2, with the impression that it was among the worst shows I've ever seen. The second episode was just boring imo. The first was...well....a prime minister screwing a pig. I get that they were going for shock value, but usually there is a payoff for the viewer because the shocking part serves some larger purpose in a great story (like you might find in a show like Breaking Bad). No such payoff came in this case.

gojomo 12y ago

I liked the 1st episode, but when recommending the series I advise that each episode is different and stands alone. The 1st episode is extra-crude. It's very realistic in one dimension, its setting: it could be today, with no extra technology or cultural assumptions. But then it's absurd in another dimension: the extremeness of its unfolding events. I could tell right away that particular mix might not sit well with many people, even as the bold choices in the service of its themes impressed me. I suspect the episode has more impact the more familiar the viewer is with British culture around royals and tabloids. I liked its big questions: what happens when trolls/terrorists can outpace traditional authorities? How do you weigh embarrassment against life? Actual incidents since its original airdate – from the 'fappening' to ISIS to terrorists-wearing-GoPros – are only bringing us closer to its absurd world.

ufmace 12y ago

I just started watching this actually, and have only seen 1 and 2 so far. I'm already interested enough to watch some more, and this makes that sound more rewarding than I would have thought. I didn't like 2 that much actually. I feel like there wasn't enough of a background explanation of the world that the episode was set in to really relate to the characters or their situation. Where did all of these people come from, why are they riding bikes all the time, and why are they living in this crazy merits-based world? Exactly who is building and maintaining all of this high-tech gear for them? What are the rules, who is enforcing them, and why? What is the point of making people ride bikes all day? Etc, etc etc. I felt fascinated by the first episode, though. Yeah, the subject is crude, but I think it serves well to illustrate a number of trends of the modern world - just how much power there can be in mass media, and how impotent traditional authority structures can be against it when organized well. It's striking that, absurd as the situation is, no individual part of it is really impossible even today. Well, I will say that, while the individual pieces are not impossible, they would each take a lot of expertise in the appropriate field to set up. I don't think it's possible for all of that experience to exist in one person, or to find people with experience in the appropriate fields, bring them together, and get them all working towards a shared goal of something as absurd as getting the PM to fuck a pig, without the authorities finding out somehow.

gojomo 12y ago
'15 Million Merits' (S1E2) is my favorite. I see it as an intentionally abstract and allegorical world, more like a cartoon or fairy-tale. Yet even not knowing a realistic origin-story, its major characteristics are recognizable, as reductio ad absurdum extrapolations from our world. And in our world, aren't there an awful lot of arbitrary demands and limits we just accept, or are supported by thin just-so rationalizations? And why? Simply because it's all we've ever known, and everyone else is accepting them, and all the little rewards and penalties and media-messages from our engineered environment combine to just make us play our role. I think of this episode as "THX1138 for the American Idol/Candy Crush generation". Yet it's also separately interesting to wonder: could this be a literally-depicted location, somewhere in our future? A synthetic subsistence environment offered to surplus people? It's not blatantly cruel, and it offers plenty of entertainment and status-competition and food and exercise – even though we recognize it as a very small and manipulative sandbox. I think it's even possible, as an exercise, to imagine all the Black Mirror episodes as being different parts of the same continuity. 'The National Anthem' (S1E1) and 'The Waldo Moment' (S2E3) are both set any-day-now, with essentially no technology that doesn't already exist. 'White Bear' (S2E2) comes sometime not too far off, with only a smidge of new tech. 'Entire History of You' (S1E3) and 'Be Right Back' (S2E1) arrive a decade or few from now, then 'White Christmas' (S3EX?) another decade or few after that. And '15 Million Merits' (S1E2) occurs sometime indeterminate... but potentially as early as 'White Bear', as a engagement-optimized, 'compassionate' poor-house or prison or nursing-home for those with no prospects outside. (Compare to the synthetic Dutch 'village' for dementia patients: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/ http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-...)