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Well said. I find the internet social justice movement intensely annoying. They are, to be blunt, assholes. But unfortunately, they're also right more often

by Pxtl 12y ago

Well said. I find the internet social justice movement intensely annoying. They are, to be blunt, assholes. But unfortunately, they're also right more often than not. And dwelling on how disgustingly annoying the online social justice movement is instead of solving its problems is one facet of geek culture that is just somewhat pathetic.

vezzy-fnord 12y ago
You admit that the "online social justice movement" is dysfunctional, yet you put the onus on so-called "geek culture" to fix their problems for them? Why "geek culture" in particular, and is a notable subset of it already not involved with the former movement?
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  >onus on so-called "geek culture" to fix their problems for them What? That comment doesn't say anything even resembling that.
  - graeme 12y ago
    The OP used a poor pronoun reference: >dwelling on how disgustingly annoying the online social justice movement is instead of solving its problems is one facet of geek culture It's not clear whether the author means "its" to refer to SJW or geek culture's problems. I believe the author meant geek culture should fix its own problems, but it's a reasonable misinterpretation to have read that sentence as referring to SJW's problems. That's where the parent comment was coming from.
kelnos 12y ago
And dwelling on how disgustingly annoying the online social justice movement is instead of solving its problems is one facet of geek culture that is just somewhat pathetic. I think the difference here is that many geeks are of the mindset that it should be "easy" for them to help, both in action and emotionally. Constantly being berated for "not helping exactly the right way" puts people in a foul mood. The bottom line is that there aren't many easy-to-see benefits for non-oppressed allies. Basically many geeks see it as the less-privileged asking them for help, with nothing really in it for them except constantly being taken to task for not being immediately perfectly sensitive to all the issues women and people of color face. It's a little disingenuous to both vehemently assume, expect, and require that sensitivity while at the same time saying "there's no way you can possibly understand the struggles we face". Can't have it both ways.

by Pxtl 12y ago

vezzy-fnord 12y ago

You admit that the "online social justice movement" is dysfunctional, yet you put the onus on so-called "geek culture" to fix their problems for them? Why "geek culture" in particular, and is a notable subset of it already not involved with the former movement?

Dylan16807 12y ago
>onus on so-called "geek culture" to fix their problems for them What? That comment doesn't say anything even resembling that.
- graeme 12y ago
  The OP used a poor pronoun reference: >dwelling on how disgustingly annoying the online social justice movement is instead of solving its problems is one facet of geek culture It's not clear whether the author means "its" to refer to SJW or geek culture's problems. I believe the author meant geek culture should fix its own problems, but it's a reasonable misinterpretation to have read that sentence as referring to SJW's problems. That's where the parent comment was coming from.

kelnos 12y ago

And dwelling on how disgustingly annoying the online social justice movement is instead of solving its problems is one facet of geek culture that is just somewhat pathetic. I think the difference here is that many geeks are of the mindset that it should be "easy" for them to help, both in action and emotionally. Constantly being berated for "not helping exactly the right way" puts people in a foul mood. The bottom line is that there aren't many easy-to-see benefits for non-oppressed allies. Basically many geeks see it as the less-privileged asking them for help, with nothing really in it for them except constantly being taken to task for not being immediately perfectly sensitive to all the issues women and people of color face. It's a little disingenuous to both vehemently assume, expect, and require that sensitivity while at the same time saying "there's no way you can possibly understand the struggles we face". Can't have it both ways.