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Who are you sharing your views with that you are experiencing so much judgement, etc? Are these comments on your blog, or real life friends, or both? >politic

by indlebe 12y ago

Who are you sharing your views with that you are experiencing so much judgement, etc? Are these comments on your blog, or real life friends, or both? >politics are still left of centre The whole left-right thing is really a false dichotomy. It sounds to me like you associated/associate with extremists of political correctness. I hold some very progressive ideologies, but I have never faced ridicule if I don't "tow the line" as you are experiencing. But then again I don't blog or share my views that publicly.

Kalium 12y ago
> Who are you sharing your views with that you are experiencing so much judgement, etc? You'd be surprised. I left the Bay for a handful of years, and when I came back half of my friends had become political radicals. There is no lack of people who will react badly if you don't share their views in detail.
- efnx 12y ago
  This goes in all directions.
  - Kalium 12y ago
    Indeed it does.
  - girvo 12y ago
    It does. But that's one of the things I loved about small-l liberals, when I was younger this focus on "thoughtcrime" wasn't there. Now we are not that much better in this regard than those we are opposed to. Horseshoe theory I guess.
- jgeorge 12y ago
  I go out of my way to NOT discuss politics amongst colleagues and co-workers, as my political beliefs are not anyone's business but my own and the ballot box's. While in private I actually agree with a fair amount of the ideals espoused by my far-more-progressive colleagues, I'm regularly called out in some circles for NOT sharing my views in detail and participating in the collective political superiority circle.... well, you know what I mean.
xtrumanx 12y ago
How about right here at HN? Earlier this week someone commented on using shame as a tool for "positive change". I once wrote a comment on a thread here on HN but after considering past reactions of HN of similar comments, I didn't bother submitting the comment and closed the tab instead. I don't necessarily care about karma but I use it as a way to figure out what kind of stuff the community wants to hears from me. When I get downvoted I make a mental note to keep such opinions to myself next time. I rather have some of my comments be visible than have them greyed out or dead.
- smt88 12y ago
  Shame can be (and has been) a tool for positive change. I grew up in the South. Many of my peers never heard racist comments until they were adults, even though many adults in our community were deeply racist. That made my generation far less racist than older ones. So why were the racists so quiet? Because it stopped being socially acceptable to be racist. Those people were ashamed of publicly stating their views. Racism become something you might believe, but didn't say to a child. It's not a pleasant tool, and it's often abused, but there are definitely shades of gray there.
  - xtrumanx 12y ago
    One reason I don't like that idea is that it creates hypocrites. I'd rather get thing like that out in the open since it may even be possible to convince some of those people that their beliefs are wrong but if you shame them into silence, you may not even have the chance to identify them.
    - angersock 12y ago
      "you may not even have the chance to identify them." And if so, why is that a problem? If you never knew, why would it bother you?
      - Dylan16807 12y ago
        Because if they're specifically hiding their racism in certain contexts they are probably still making harmful actions elsewhere.

by indlebe 12y ago

Kalium 12y ago

> Who are you sharing your views with that you are experiencing so much judgement, etc? You'd be surprised. I left the Bay for a handful of years, and when I came back half of my friends had become political radicals. There is no lack of people who will react badly if you don't share their views in detail.

efnx 12y ago
This goes in all directions.
- Kalium 12y ago
  Indeed it does.
- girvo 12y ago
  It does. But that's one of the things I loved about small-l liberals, when I was younger this focus on "thoughtcrime" wasn't there. Now we are not that much better in this regard than those we are opposed to. Horseshoe theory I guess.
jgeorge 12y ago
I go out of my way to NOT discuss politics amongst colleagues and co-workers, as my political beliefs are not anyone's business but my own and the ballot box's. While in private I actually agree with a fair amount of the ideals espoused by my far-more-progressive colleagues, I'm regularly called out in some circles for NOT sharing my views in detail and participating in the collective political superiority circle.... well, you know what I mean.

xtrumanx 12y ago

How about right here at HN? Earlier this week someone commented on using shame as a tool for "positive change". I once wrote a comment on a thread here on HN but after considering past reactions of HN of similar comments, I didn't bother submitting the comment and closed the tab instead. I don't necessarily care about karma but I use it as a way to figure out what kind of stuff the community wants to hears from me. When I get downvoted I make a mental note to keep such opinions to myself next time. I rather have some of my comments be visible than have them greyed out or dead.

smt88 12y ago
Shame can be (and has been) a tool for positive change. I grew up in the South. Many of my peers never heard racist comments until they were adults, even though many adults in our community were deeply racist. That made my generation far less racist than older ones. So why were the racists so quiet? Because it stopped being socially acceptable to be racist. Those people were ashamed of publicly stating their views. Racism become something you might believe, but didn't say to a child. It's not a pleasant tool, and it's often abused, but there are definitely shades of gray there.
- xtrumanx 12y ago
  One reason I don't like that idea is that it creates hypocrites. I'd rather get thing like that out in the open since it may even be possible to convince some of those people that their beliefs are wrong but if you shame them into silence, you may not even have the chance to identify them.
  - angersock 12y ago
    "you may not even have the chance to identify them." And if so, why is that a problem? If you never knew, why would it bother you?
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      Because if they're specifically hiding their racism in certain contexts they are probably still making harmful actions elsewhere.