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Hell did not break loose in France after Charlie Hebdo. They had huge rallies in support of freedom of speech. And they were joined by all religions and politic

by jpfr 12y ago

Hell did not break loose in France after Charlie Hebdo. They had huge rallies in support of freedom of speech. And they were joined by all religions and political factions. All in all, democracy and societal harmony prevailed. By the way, you are German and think the older generation has no problem with surveillance? What about the experiences made in Eastern Germany? 1989 is not far into the past, you know.

conradfr 12y ago
Ah, free speech in France. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/world/europe/amedy-coulibaly-paris-gunman-france.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/world/europe/amedy-couliba... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-23/industrial-espionage-seahawks-intellectual-property http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-23/industrial... http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/world/europe/ap-eu-france-defending-terrorism.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/world/europe/ap-e...
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fit2rule 12y ago
Alas, old western Germans are not as sensitive to the Stasi in this day and age as their counterparts in the East may appear to be - although Germany likes to think of itself an open culture, there is much that is still very insular about the German body politic. And then there's the fact that the German people have been living in a society dominated by a non-sovereign intelligence agency since the end of WW2, a fact which won't change any time soon. The USA actually runs German intelligence agencies; if anything, Germany is the testing ground for new forms of societal control that the American TLA's can implement in their own realm. Slowly, over a period of time unnoticeable by the average bourgeoisie...
guyzmo 12y ago
sadly enough, my own mother is facebook addict, sharing everything personal on iCloud, gmail or Facebook. When I warn her about that she even gave the "got nothing to hide" argument, with the "if they got money/time to loose on me sharing pics of my cats, good for them!"... whereas she fled away from the Romanian/soviet dictatorship of Ceaușescu, having the Securitate secret police torture and deport parents and friends. And though not that far, she's under that "65 y/o". But I won't give up repeating that argument that all that is wrong!
- duaneb 12y ago
  To be fair, in this day and age, projecting a view of yourself as "sharing pics of my cats" is better than projecting nothing, unless you actually are trying to project absolutely nothing. Which is pretty much impossible.
hengheng 12y ago
This thread created many accounts of viewpoints opposite to mine, reporting how the younger generation loves to share everything with the panopticon, while the older generation is highly averse after to their experiences with Stasi 1.0. I'm happy to be proven wrong. The conservative older people around me (e.g. family and their peers) all share the perspective I described, and that's all I have to qualify my statement. They are also all conservative or FDP voters. Weirdly enough, even those from Saxony or Thuringia didn't realize the Stasi analogy. "Today no-one has their eyes on me, it's all just machines" was the most common sentiment I heard from them. Which might actually be a common stance ... across all generations.

by jpfr 12y ago

conradfr 12y ago

Ah, free speech in France. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/world/europe/amedy-coulibaly-paris-gunman-france.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/world/europe/amedy-couliba... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-23/industrial-espionage-seahawks-intellectual-property http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-23/industrial... http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/world/europe/ap-eu-france-defending-terrorism.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/world/europe/ap-e...

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fit2rule 12y ago

Alas, old western Germans are not as sensitive to the Stasi in this day and age as their counterparts in the East may appear to be - although Germany likes to think of itself an open culture, there is much that is still very insular about the German body politic. And then there's the fact that the German people have been living in a society dominated by a non-sovereign intelligence agency since the end of WW2, a fact which won't change any time soon. The USA actually runs German intelligence agencies; if anything, Germany is the testing ground for new forms of societal control that the American TLA's can implement in their own realm. Slowly, over a period of time unnoticeable by the average bourgeoisie...

guyzmo 12y ago

sadly enough, my own mother is facebook addict, sharing everything personal on iCloud, gmail or Facebook. When I warn her about that she even gave the "got nothing to hide" argument, with the "if they got money/time to loose on me sharing pics of my cats, good for them!"... whereas she fled away from the Romanian/soviet dictatorship of Ceaușescu, having the Securitate secret police torture and deport parents and friends. And though not that far, she's under that "65 y/o". But I won't give up repeating that argument that all that is wrong!

duaneb 12y ago
To be fair, in this day and age, projecting a view of yourself as "sharing pics of my cats" is better than projecting nothing, unless you actually are trying to project absolutely nothing. Which is pretty much impossible.

hengheng 12y ago

This thread created many accounts of viewpoints opposite to mine, reporting how the younger generation loves to share everything with the panopticon, while the older generation is highly averse after to their experiences with Stasi 1.0. I'm happy to be proven wrong. The conservative older people around me (e.g. family and their peers) all share the perspective I described, and that's all I have to qualify my statement. They are also all conservative or FDP voters. Weirdly enough, even those from Saxony or Thuringia didn't realize the Stasi analogy. "Today no-one has their eyes on me, it's all just machines" was the most common sentiment I heard from them. Which might actually be a common stance ... across all generations.