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Is it actually a breach? It might be because I don't look at or for that level of specs but I didn't think the "advertising" such as it was included "it has thi

Is it actually a breach? It might be because I don't look at or for that level of specs but I didn't think the "advertising" such as it was included "it has this many ROPs". There is a line, i think, in what counts as advertising in this case. If the specs that were wrong were not advertised by NV themselves I imagine they don't count as misleading.

paulmd 12y ago
Yup - the documents they sent out to reviewers stated that the 970s had 64 ROPs [1]. This was also further pushed down the line to the OEMs building the cards, who used it in their own advertising (see the chart from ASUS in [2]). NVIDIA advertised the cards as having 64 ROPs - the fact that the first bunch of dupes parroted it to a wider audience is irrelevant. [1] http://www.techpowerup.com/209339/gtx-970-memory-drama-plot-thickens-nvidia-has-to-revise-specs.html http://www.techpowerup.com/209339/gtx-970-memory-drama-plot-... [2] http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/67488-asus-gtx-970-strix-oc-review.html http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-review...
- proveanegative 12y ago
  Why didn't the OEMs catch it? You'd think they would verify the specifications of the chips they are given to some degree to assure they are accurate. Have they grown complacent?
  - wtallis 12y ago
    OEMs only care about the external interfaces on the chips, and only if they're doing a custom PCB rather than using NVidia's reference design. It's not like they're advertising it as their own GPU - they put NVidia's name and logo all over their products.
pixl97 12y ago
The advertising and spec sheets talk about 224G of memory bandwidth. Retailers posted the listed specs provided by Nvidia as part of their advertising. You can go on Amazon/Ebay and see it listed everywhere. It may be that the retailer gets the brunt of the flack, you can guarantee that the retailers will demand accurate specifications before accepting more of Nvidias product if they are held liable.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  "Consequently, achieving peak memory bandwidth performance on the GTX 970 is still possible, but it requires more effort since simple striping will not do the trick." So you have to specially write code to reach peak memory bandwidth, the same as all other chips. Unless that part of the article is wrong?

paulmd 12y ago

Yup - the documents they sent out to reviewers stated that the 970s had 64 ROPs [1]. This was also further pushed down the line to the OEMs building the cards, who used it in their own advertising (see the chart from ASUS in [2]). NVIDIA advertised the cards as having 64 ROPs - the fact that the first bunch of dupes parroted it to a wider audience is irrelevant. [1] http://www.techpowerup.com/209339/gtx-970-memory-drama-plot-thickens-nvidia-has-to-revise-specs.html http://www.techpowerup.com/209339/gtx-970-memory-drama-plot-... [2] http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/67488-asus-gtx-970-strix-oc-review.html http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-review...

proveanegative 12y ago
Why didn't the OEMs catch it? You'd think they would verify the specifications of the chips they are given to some degree to assure they are accurate. Have they grown complacent?
- wtallis 12y ago
  OEMs only care about the external interfaces on the chips, and only if they're doing a custom PCB rather than using NVidia's reference design. It's not like they're advertising it as their own GPU - they put NVidia's name and logo all over their products.

pixl97 12y ago

The advertising and spec sheets talk about 224G of memory bandwidth. Retailers posted the listed specs provided by Nvidia as part of their advertising. You can go on Amazon/Ebay and see it listed everywhere. It may be that the retailer gets the brunt of the flack, you can guarantee that the retailers will demand accurate specifications before accepting more of Nvidias product if they are held liable.

Dylan16807 12y ago
"Consequently, achieving peak memory bandwidth performance on the GTX 970 is still possible, but it requires more effort since simple striping will not do the trick." So you have to specially write code to reach peak memory bandwidth, the same as all other chips. Unless that part of the article is wrong?