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+1 for MRU Who even finds "select tab to the right" useful??

by tombh 12y ago

minot 12y ago
For the people who were confused like I was, MRU stands for most recently used...
odiroot 12y ago
I for example. I like the controls matching the state of the screen. It's more predictable that way. The placement of newly opened tabs / ctrl+opened links is on the other hand something I always find wrong in most browsers. It's seem there's no logic pattern in that.
CyberShadow 12y ago
I couldn't get used to MRU because then I can't get to the tab I want without looking away / breaking my train of thought. Once you know the tab you want is three tabs to the right, you can get to it by muscle memory. You can't build a mental index with MRU because the items keep moving around (but maybe tracking MRU lists is an acquired mental skill). By default, many browsers also arrange tabs in an order I find not entirely optimal. Tree Style Tabs / Tab Mix Plus help here.
- CyberShadow 12y ago
  Writing this comment made me go and set up a non-MRU way to switch between windows (7TT has a hidden option for this - no good TWMs on Windows, sadly).
- rplnt 12y ago
  In old Opera you were shown an ordered list of tabs when using ctrl+tab (as you have in window managers). Not exactly what you were talking about, but it was not just random guessing as for which tab will pop up next. You saw how many you had to go, or you could use a mouse. You have other shortcuts for go left/right when those make sense. Also, my biggest issue is with the inability to change this behavior. So I don't think there is one right way to do things (as there obviously isn't). I think such option should be included in settings, or at least let it be possible via extension (as is in FF). By the way, request for this option is one of the top voted issues in chromium (like in top 10 of all time I think), yet it was closed as WONTFIX without any comment from developers.
  - CyberShadow 12y ago
    Yes, I used Opera for many years until I reluctantly switched to Firefox. The MRU popup still adds a mental load because you have to visually scan the tab list and know at which tab to stop at. Alt+Tab suffers from the same problem. > or you could use a mouse I try to not use the mouse, even while browsing the web. One of the reasons I liked Opera was the excellent spatial navigation feature, which sadly has no good equivalent in other browsers currently. Vivaldi claims to reimplement it, so that's interesting, but at this point I'm not going to risk more lock-in by switching from an open-source browser to a closed-source one.
maccard 12y ago
I do (although I guess it's because that's how the browser works currently) - when I hit ctrl tab in FF, I know that the browser will move to the tab to the right, and ctrl shift tab will move left. If I check email, or open a tab to read during the day, and come back to my browser later on, I can't necessarily remember which tabs I used most recently.
lazzlazzlazz 12y ago
I do? My tabs are ordered and I prefer to traverse them in the order I can visualize at the top of the browser. I'd prefer not to keep track of which tab I happened to view last. +1 for affordances and maintaining the visual order of tabs.
neckro23 12y ago
MRU drives me batty. It mostly makes sense for applications (Alt+Tab et al.) but for documents like webpages the "index" is right there in my tab bar. Why expect me to remember the order I last looked at them? On a related note, Shift+Cmd+[] doesn't work in Vivaldi for tab switching, unlike every other browser on OS X. Dealbreaker for me.
- rplnt 12y ago
  Have you tried to configure it manually? There's an option for previous/next tab shortcut in options menu, but not all key combinations seem to work. As for your first remark, why not both? MRU is most useful for cycling between two (or similarly low number) tabs. It's not possible with "go right" function. You have (and "always" had) other shortcuts for spatial switching, which makes sense in some situations. So you can (and do) use those. Why remove functionality for key combo that works like that in other environments? Also, you have the "index" right there in your OS as well.
CalRobert 12y ago
Me, and probably anyone who uses a browser with something closer to ten than ten thousand tabs. I don't keep a list of the last 8 tabs I used in my head.
tuananh 12y ago
It's more predictable bc of the visual.
anentropic 12y ago
MRU tab switching is most annoying 'feature' ever it's like having random switching
recursive 12y ago
I do. Thanks for asking.

+1 for MRU Who even finds "select tab to the right" useful??

by tombh 12y ago

+1 for MRU Who even finds "select tab to the right" useful??

minot 12y ago

For the people who were confused like I was, MRU stands for most recently used...

odiroot 12y ago

I for example. I like the controls matching the state of the screen. It's more predictable that way. The placement of newly opened tabs / ctrl+opened links is on the other hand something I always find wrong in most browsers. It's seem there's no logic pattern in that.

CyberShadow 12y ago

I couldn't get used to MRU because then I can't get to the tab I want without looking away / breaking my train of thought. Once you know the tab you want is three tabs to the right, you can get to it by muscle memory. You can't build a mental index with MRU because the items keep moving around (but maybe tracking MRU lists is an acquired mental skill). By default, many browsers also arrange tabs in an order I find not entirely optimal. Tree Style Tabs / Tab Mix Plus help here.

CyberShadow 12y ago
Writing this comment made me go and set up a non-MRU way to switch between windows (7TT has a hidden option for this - no good TWMs on Windows, sadly).
rplnt 12y ago
In old Opera you were shown an ordered list of tabs when using ctrl+tab (as you have in window managers). Not exactly what you were talking about, but it was not just random guessing as for which tab will pop up next. You saw how many you had to go, or you could use a mouse. You have other shortcuts for go left/right when those make sense. Also, my biggest issue is with the inability to change this behavior. So I don't think there is one right way to do things (as there obviously isn't). I think such option should be included in settings, or at least let it be possible via extension (as is in FF). By the way, request for this option is one of the top voted issues in chromium (like in top 10 of all time I think), yet it was closed as WONTFIX without any comment from developers.
- CyberShadow 12y ago
  Yes, I used Opera for many years until I reluctantly switched to Firefox. The MRU popup still adds a mental load because you have to visually scan the tab list and know at which tab to stop at. Alt+Tab suffers from the same problem. > or you could use a mouse I try to not use the mouse, even while browsing the web. One of the reasons I liked Opera was the excellent spatial navigation feature, which sadly has no good equivalent in other browsers currently. Vivaldi claims to reimplement it, so that's interesting, but at this point I'm not going to risk more lock-in by switching from an open-source browser to a closed-source one.

maccard 12y ago

I do (although I guess it's because that's how the browser works currently) - when I hit ctrl tab in FF, I know that the browser will move to the tab to the right, and ctrl shift tab will move left. If I check email, or open a tab to read during the day, and come back to my browser later on, I can't necessarily remember which tabs I used most recently.

lazzlazzlazz 12y ago

I do? My tabs are ordered and I prefer to traverse them in the order I can visualize at the top of the browser. I'd prefer not to keep track of which tab I happened to view last. +1 for affordances and maintaining the visual order of tabs.

neckro23 12y ago

MRU drives me batty. It mostly makes sense for applications (Alt+Tab et al.) but for documents like webpages the "index" is right there in my tab bar. Why expect me to remember the order I last looked at them? On a related note, Shift+Cmd+[] doesn't work in Vivaldi for tab switching, unlike every other browser on OS X. Dealbreaker for me.

rplnt 12y ago
Have you tried to configure it manually? There's an option for previous/next tab shortcut in options menu, but not all key combinations seem to work. As for your first remark, why not both? MRU is most useful for cycling between two (or similarly low number) tabs. It's not possible with "go right" function. You have (and "always" had) other shortcuts for spatial switching, which makes sense in some situations. So you can (and do) use those. Why remove functionality for key combo that works like that in other environments? Also, you have the "index" right there in your OS as well.

CalRobert 12y ago

Me, and probably anyone who uses a browser with something closer to ten than ten thousand tabs. I don't keep a list of the last 8 tabs I used in my head.

tuananh 12y ago

It's more predictable bc of the visual.

anentropic 12y ago

MRU tab switching is most annoying 'feature' ever it's like having random switching

recursive 12y ago

I do. Thanks for asking.