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Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]

46 points by pmcpinto 12y ago

lis 12y ago
Link to the story, for those who dislike watching videos: http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/ http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/
dstoyanov 12y ago
Well if she didn't post her naked pictures in Facebook, even if it was hacked, nobody would get them. Is it not a common sense not to post your naked pictures on the Internet? Especially if you don't want people to look at them...
- toothbrush 12y ago
  Sort of like the argument that you should have had a more solid door, then the robbers would've stolen your neighbour's stuff and not yours. No, you shouldn't blame the victim, we should be working against the sexist dynamics in society.
- cmsj 12y ago
  If you don't wantto have your car stolen it's common sense to not own a car. If you don't want your money to be stolen it's common sense to be broke. If you don't want your kids to be kidnapped it's common sense to remain childless. If you don't want to be murdered it's common sense to commit suicide. Of course people should be aware of risks and manage them appropriately, but it's also possible to not blame them for the abuse of others.
  - probably_wrong 12y ago
    > If you don't want to be murdered it's common sense to commit suicide. I really dislike this line of thought, because I think it boils the issue down to black and white, all or nothing. "... it's common sense to commit suicide" makes no sense, of course, but how about "... it's common sense not to walk alone at night in a high-crime area"? I don't believe for a second that she "deserved what she got". But I don't think "do not put naked pictures on the internet" is bad advice either, specially considering the (very) large number of cases in which women's pictures were stolen. Is there really no possibility for a middle ground?
    - icebraining 12y ago
      It's not that it's bad advice. It's that it's not a good response in this case, because it sounds like blaming the victim, which is unfortunately all too common. There's a time and place for such advice, and this isn't it, in my opinion.
  - huehue 12y ago
    You are comparing mundane things with posting nudes on the net.
- nrinaudo 12y ago
  Right, do nothing to be ashamed of and nothing can be made public to hurt you. Given your stance on this, you obviously would have no issue with your full internet browsing history being made public and associated with your real name, the one by which your partner / current flirt / potential employer knows you and might find you, right? I mean, if you didn't want people to know that you're into midget goat porn, you'd just not browse for it, correct?
- scribu 12y ago
  First of all, nowhere does it say that she posted her pictures on Facebook at all (either to her friends or in a private message), just that her Facebook account, along with her email account, were hacked. Second of all, as other commenters have noted, you're blaming the victim - the classic "if you don't want to get raped, don't look sexy".
- sago 12y ago
  Nice victim blaming there. So she was too dumb, and she got what was coming? Or even worse, with the "if you don't want people to look at them" hint, perhaps she wanted this. Maybe deep down. Subconsciously or something. That's a particularly classy form of victim blaming that. Doubly so since you created an account on HN specifically to post it.
  - blencdr 12y ago
    Nonetheless not putting nude picture of you on the internet is a good advice anyway !
    - dagw 12y ago
      No better advice than saying "never send emails you don't want made available to the world at large".
    - sago 12y ago
      It's right up there in quality of advice with "don't dress sexily if you don't want to be raped." Or, as the bible puts it "Women should be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves"|
bruceb 12y ago
Just found out about http://www.undox.me http://www.undox.me this weekend from the 24hr Pando Daily event #dontbeawful Undox.me has very basic steps of what to do if some horrible person posting your pics without your permission.
- onestone 12y ago
  Sadly another site which assumes that USA equals the world.
leaveyou 12y ago
I made it up to "this were all men" and "this isn't about me, it's about hatred of women" and I remorselessly closed the window as if I stepped into a quarrel that is none of my business. In my universe there is no such thing as "hatred of women" and the psychopathic misogynists are like UFOs. I keep hearing about them but I have never seen any.
- nrinaudo 12y ago
  dstoyanov, a few comments down, is not a bad example of them.
  - scribu 12y ago
    I think implying that someone is a "psychopathic misogynist" just from a single comment is a bit harsh.
    - nrinaudo 12y ago
      Fair enough, he might also be a troll or a teenager - or, god forbid, both. I accept your rebuke, I was being unfair.
    - ZeroGravitas 12y ago
      Implying that the woman who wrote this article is a liar, and has invented her story like a UFO abductee, also seems harsh, some might say "misogynistic" even. Sadly this attitude seems too common to put it down to psychopathy, which is seemingly only about 1 percent of the population (though mostly male apparently).
  - fnef 12y ago
    All I see is a comment about being careful about where you upload your naked pictures. I don't see any mention of gender at all. I'm not sure where you see a suggestion of hatred, of women, or psychopathy.
  - throwmeunder 12y ago
    No. It's the most common and primitive reaction to a preventable problem. Bike stolen? Don't leave it in a bad spot. Mugged? Don't walk through back alleys. Server hacked? Don't listen on all ports. Email? Bad password + reuse. If you've never been on the receiving end of a similar comment you don't know how irritating and unhelpful it is. It's not malice or hatred .. it's a lack of a different perspective and information.
andrey-p 12y ago
Autoplaying video featuring nudity. Might want to put a note or two about that.
- amelius 12y ago
  I simply muted sound in my current chrome tab before I opened the link. Or at least, I fancied that.
DanBC 12y ago
It seems like this could be a useful area for a honeypot. Take photographs of a willing model (who knows what they're going to be used for); "dox" this model (release the images with fake details); collect information of the harassing people who send messages. I'm not sure what you then do with the information of harassers. Ploce in the UK spend a lot of time dealing with online a use. It might account for about half of all calls forwarded to frontline police. http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674 http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674
- zamalek 12y ago
  > I'm not sure what you then do with the information of harassers. I think the problem would be entrapment. The laws differ from country to country but I'm pretty certain that a honeypot wouldn't be legal here. Which is unfortunate.
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icantthinkofone 12y ago
This isn't a case she should be making at all. This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. She's embarrassed and trying to deflect it onto something else. Hacking, yes. Hatred of women and rape issues, no. I'm also having problems with the video showing the very pictures she was so embarrassed about. There is some sort of disconnect there I don't have time to go into.
- tomp 12y ago
  > This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. Exactly; if anything, it's love and attraction to women; male nudes are much less popular online.
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    Did you watch the video? Do your parents know ur a slut. is a pretty nasty message to send to someone.
  - calvin_c 12y ago
    Objectification and viewing private photos without consent ≠ Love and Attraction
    - tomp 12y ago
      I disagree. I view JLaw's photos because I'm a heterosexual man, I wouldn't be interested in viewing a man's nude photos. I didn't look at Kim Kardasian's ass either, because I don't find her attractive.
- samastur 12y ago
  Do you find watching images of women taken against her wish respectful? Pictures shown are not the one that were stolen. Those were the one she took later to reclaim feeling of control. Might not be the way I would cope, but certainly is not a disconnect with anything.
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throwmeunder 12y ago
First having your naked pictures out in the internet against your consent is an awful thing that shouldn't happen to anyone. Having your information out in the public eye and emails like the ones she received is terrifying and the more severe problem here. That being sad I disagree with the whole subtext of the story: that these people get off on the idea of a non consenting victim. quotes from http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/ http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/: "It’s one thing to be sexualised by people who are attracted to you, but it’s quite another thing when the lack of a ‘you’, when dehumanization, is the main factor." "Take ‘creepshots’, a global phenomenon which entails photographing women without their knowledge or consent, in order to share them in a sexual context online. On similar sites, people link to Facebook pages asking if anyone can hack or find more pictures of the girl. Here, again, women are used as objects whose lack of consent, of participation, provides the reason and allure of their sexualisation." "This dynamic is a commonplace online and is a concrete manifestation of a larger discourse around the female body, the notion that it is erotic to sexualise someone who is unaware. We all know the tropes: the sexy teacher/student/nurse/waiter/bartender/doctor. All jobs, if staffed by women, can be sexualised. What is sexy is not the job, not even the woman, but the fact that while the woman is just doing her job you are secretly sexualising her." Now I am sure there are people that find that arousing but I've just completed high school-university stage and my insight in my peers is a bit different. The people that say stuff like that do it mainly because they find the girl desirable, but have a problem communicating that in a normal way. In other words they are socially inexperienced and that's their way of talking to someone of sexual interest. Overanalyzing this might say that they use insults and threats as a shield to rejection. Pictures of naked people are wanted because they are pictures of naked people. Context matters and in some edge cases may be turned in a fetish but the main allure of almost all "creepshots" is sexual desirability and not the lack of consent. Similarly I've talked to people that raped and people that were nearly stopped and the reason was always sexual tension(small sample, date rapes, rape = sex/fingering w/o consent). Control? Maybe but not the main reason at all.
- anon4 12y ago
  I think her video is supposed to be more a psychological coping mechanism for herself and other victims, not a solution to the original problem. And it might actually be more important - you need to be mentally stable first and then you can do something about it.
tempodox 12y ago
NSFW. That format is gruesome. I would have preferred something non-noisy, non-distracting, just for reading.
facepalm 12y ago
Finally nudes that everybody is allowed to share, because it is supposedly for the greater good. (They were already pushed on me on Facebook and G+, and now HN). This made me wonder if open source pornography exists?
- icebraining 12y ago
  http://www.freedomporn.org/ http://www.freedomporn.org/
gunnm 12y ago
Would DMCA takedown apply in this case? And could she collect damages for non-compliance?
nickthemagicman 12y ago
99% of these types photos are of pretty attractive desirable women So its not "hatred of women".... Its " hatred of BEAUTIFUL women"! These men hate beautiful women so much
z3t4 12y ago
Maybe sexual education should include computer security too. Now when many people have relations over the Internet. Just like you learn to protect yourself with condoms, you should also learn to protect yourself with strong passwords and encryption.
- _yosefk 12y ago
  You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline. "Strong passwords and encryption" is hopeless because you have a key logger running on your machine - a reasonable, simple default assumption that can and should be taught instead of encryption that only works in theory (and said theory is much too complicated for most people to have time to wrap their mind around anyway.)
  - Morgawr 12y ago
    >You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline. Those are two entirely different issues though. Just because your house requires keys to enter, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a house because somebody might break into it. Educating people about security of their data is as important as educating them about the ethics and risks of sharing your data, they are not contradictory.

46 points by pmcpinto 12y ago

lis 12y ago

Link to the story, for those who dislike watching videos: http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/ http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/

dstoyanov 12y ago

Well if she didn't post her naked pictures in Facebook, even if it was hacked, nobody would get them. Is it not a common sense not to post your naked pictures on the Internet? Especially if you don't want people to look at them...

toothbrush 12y ago
Sort of like the argument that you should have had a more solid door, then the robbers would've stolen your neighbour's stuff and not yours. No, you shouldn't blame the victim, we should be working against the sexist dynamics in society.
cmsj 12y ago
If you don't wantto have your car stolen it's common sense to not own a car. If you don't want your money to be stolen it's common sense to be broke. If you don't want your kids to be kidnapped it's common sense to remain childless. If you don't want to be murdered it's common sense to commit suicide. Of course people should be aware of risks and manage them appropriately, but it's also possible to not blame them for the abuse of others.
- probably_wrong 12y ago
  > If you don't want to be murdered it's common sense to commit suicide. I really dislike this line of thought, because I think it boils the issue down to black and white, all or nothing. "... it's common sense to commit suicide" makes no sense, of course, but how about "... it's common sense not to walk alone at night in a high-crime area"? I don't believe for a second that she "deserved what she got". But I don't think "do not put naked pictures on the internet" is bad advice either, specially considering the (very) large number of cases in which women's pictures were stolen. Is there really no possibility for a middle ground?
  - icebraining 12y ago
    It's not that it's bad advice. It's that it's not a good response in this case, because it sounds like blaming the victim, which is unfortunately all too common. There's a time and place for such advice, and this isn't it, in my opinion.
- huehue 12y ago
  You are comparing mundane things with posting nudes on the net.
nrinaudo 12y ago
Right, do nothing to be ashamed of and nothing can be made public to hurt you. Given your stance on this, you obviously would have no issue with your full internet browsing history being made public and associated with your real name, the one by which your partner / current flirt / potential employer knows you and might find you, right? I mean, if you didn't want people to know that you're into midget goat porn, you'd just not browse for it, correct?
scribu 12y ago
First of all, nowhere does it say that she posted her pictures on Facebook at all (either to her friends or in a private message), just that her Facebook account, along with her email account, were hacked. Second of all, as other commenters have noted, you're blaming the victim - the classic "if you don't want to get raped, don't look sexy".
sago 12y ago
Nice victim blaming there. So she was too dumb, and she got what was coming? Or even worse, with the "if you don't want people to look at them" hint, perhaps she wanted this. Maybe deep down. Subconsciously or something. That's a particularly classy form of victim blaming that. Doubly so since you created an account on HN specifically to post it.
- blencdr 12y ago
  Nonetheless not putting nude picture of you on the internet is a good advice anyway !
  - dagw 12y ago
    No better advice than saying "never send emails you don't want made available to the world at large".
  - sago 12y ago
    It's right up there in quality of advice with "don't dress sexily if you don't want to be raped." Or, as the bible puts it "Women should be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves"|

bruceb 12y ago

Just found out about http://www.undox.me http://www.undox.me this weekend from the 24hr Pando Daily event #dontbeawful Undox.me has very basic steps of what to do if some horrible person posting your pics without your permission.

onestone 12y ago
Sadly another site which assumes that USA equals the world.

leaveyou 12y ago

I made it up to "this were all men" and "this isn't about me, it's about hatred of women" and I remorselessly closed the window as if I stepped into a quarrel that is none of my business. In my universe there is no such thing as "hatred of women" and the psychopathic misogynists are like UFOs. I keep hearing about them but I have never seen any.

nrinaudo 12y ago
dstoyanov, a few comments down, is not a bad example of them.
- scribu 12y ago
  I think implying that someone is a "psychopathic misogynist" just from a single comment is a bit harsh.
  - nrinaudo 12y ago
    Fair enough, he might also be a troll or a teenager - or, god forbid, both. I accept your rebuke, I was being unfair.
  - ZeroGravitas 12y ago
    Implying that the woman who wrote this article is a liar, and has invented her story like a UFO abductee, also seems harsh, some might say "misogynistic" even. Sadly this attitude seems too common to put it down to psychopathy, which is seemingly only about 1 percent of the population (though mostly male apparently).
- fnef 12y ago
  All I see is a comment about being careful about where you upload your naked pictures. I don't see any mention of gender at all. I'm not sure where you see a suggestion of hatred, of women, or psychopathy.
- throwmeunder 12y ago
  No. It's the most common and primitive reaction to a preventable problem. Bike stolen? Don't leave it in a bad spot. Mugged? Don't walk through back alleys. Server hacked? Don't listen on all ports. Email? Bad password + reuse. If you've never been on the receiving end of a similar comment you don't know how irritating and unhelpful it is. It's not malice or hatred .. it's a lack of a different perspective and information.

andrey-p 12y ago

Autoplaying video featuring nudity. Might want to put a note or two about that.

amelius 12y ago
I simply muted sound in my current chrome tab before I opened the link. Or at least, I fancied that.

DanBC 12y ago

It seems like this could be a useful area for a honeypot. Take photographs of a willing model (who knows what they're going to be used for); "dox" this model (release the images with fake details); collect information of the harassing people who send messages. I'm not sure what you then do with the information of harassers. Ploce in the UK spend a lot of time dealing with online a use. It might account for about half of all calls forwarded to frontline police. http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674 http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27949674

zamalek 12y ago
> I'm not sure what you then do with the information of harassers. I think the problem would be entrapment. The laws differ from country to country but I'm pretty certain that a honeypot wouldn't be legal here. Which is unfortunate.
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icantthinkofone 12y ago

This isn't a case she should be making at all. This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. She's embarrassed and trying to deflect it onto something else. Hacking, yes. Hatred of women and rape issues, no. I'm also having problems with the video showing the very pictures she was so embarrassed about. There is some sort of disconnect there I don't have time to go into.

tomp 12y ago
> This is a hacking issue, not any "hatred of women" or anything else she's trying to make it out to be. Exactly; if anything, it's love and attraction to women; male nudes are much less popular online.
- maxerickson 12y ago
  Did you watch the video? Do your parents know ur a slut. is a pretty nasty message to send to someone.
- calvin_c 12y ago
  Objectification and viewing private photos without consent ≠ Love and Attraction
  - tomp 12y ago
    I disagree. I view JLaw's photos because I'm a heterosexual man, I wouldn't be interested in viewing a man's nude photos. I didn't look at Kim Kardasian's ass either, because I don't find her attractive.
samastur 12y ago
Do you find watching images of women taken against her wish respectful? Pictures shown are not the one that were stolen. Those were the one she took later to reclaim feeling of control. Might not be the way I would cope, but certainly is not a disconnect with anything.
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throwmeunder 12y ago

First having your naked pictures out in the internet against your consent is an awful thing that shouldn't happen to anyone. Having your information out in the public eye and emails like the ones she received is terrifying and the more severe problem here. That being sad I disagree with the whole subtext of the story: that these people get off on the idea of a non consenting victim. quotes from http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/ http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/: "It’s one thing to be sexualised by people who are attracted to you, but it’s quite another thing when the lack of a ‘you’, when dehumanization, is the main factor." "Take ‘creepshots’, a global phenomenon which entails photographing women without their knowledge or consent, in order to share them in a sexual context online. On similar sites, people link to Facebook pages asking if anyone can hack or find more pictures of the girl. Here, again, women are used as objects whose lack of consent, of participation, provides the reason and allure of their sexualisation." "This dynamic is a commonplace online and is a concrete manifestation of a larger discourse around the female body, the notion that it is erotic to sexualise someone who is unaware. We all know the tropes: the sexy teacher/student/nurse/waiter/bartender/doctor. All jobs, if staffed by women, can be sexualised. What is sexy is not the job, not even the woman, but the fact that while the woman is just doing her job you are secretly sexualising her." Now I am sure there are people that find that arousing but I've just completed high school-university stage and my insight in my peers is a bit different. The people that say stuff like that do it mainly because they find the girl desirable, but have a problem communicating that in a normal way. In other words they are socially inexperienced and that's their way of talking to someone of sexual interest. Overanalyzing this might say that they use insults and threats as a shield to rejection. Pictures of naked people are wanted because they are pictures of naked people. Context matters and in some edge cases may be turned in a fetish but the main allure of almost all "creepshots" is sexual desirability and not the lack of consent. Similarly I've talked to people that raped and people that were nearly stopped and the reason was always sexual tension(small sample, date rapes, rape = sex/fingering w/o consent). Control? Maybe but not the main reason at all.

anon4 12y ago
I think her video is supposed to be more a psychological coping mechanism for herself and other victims, not a solution to the original problem. And it might actually be more important - you need to be mentally stable first and then you can do something about it.

tempodox 12y ago

NSFW. That format is gruesome. I would have preferred something non-noisy, non-distracting, just for reading.

facepalm 12y ago

Finally nudes that everybody is allowed to share, because it is supposedly for the greater good. (They were already pushed on me on Facebook and G+, and now HN). This made me wonder if open source pornography exists?

icebraining 12y ago
http://www.freedomporn.org/ http://www.freedomporn.org/

gunnm 12y ago

Would DMCA takedown apply in this case? And could she collect damages for non-compliance?

nickthemagicman 12y ago

99% of these types photos are of pretty attractive desirable women So its not "hatred of women".... Its " hatred of BEAUTIFUL women"! These men hate beautiful women so much

z3t4 12y ago

Maybe sexual education should include computer security too. Now when many people have relations over the Internet. Just like you learn to protect yourself with condoms, you should also learn to protect yourself with strong passwords and encryption.

_yosefk 12y ago
You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline. "Strong passwords and encryption" is hopeless because you have a key logger running on your machine - a reasonable, simple default assumption that can and should be taught instead of encryption that only works in theory (and said theory is much too complicated for most people to have time to wrap their mind around anyway.)
- Morgawr 12y ago
  >You should learn to protect yourself by keeping it offline. Those are two entirely different issues though. Just because your house requires keys to enter, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a house because somebody might break into it. Educating people about security of their data is as important as educating them about the ethics and risks of sharing your data, they are not contradictory.