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So running up and down a court and putting a ball in a hole better than anyone else gives you license to verbally shit on anyone you come across because they ca

So running up and down a court and putting a ball in a hole better than anyone else gives you license to verbally shit on anyone you come across because they can't? What exactly does he stand for besides making as much as possible off overpriced sneakers/merch built off sweatshop labor, shooting a ball in a hole (extraordinarily well), and being a dick in general to most people he comes across?

adventured 12y ago
Can you show me where Jordan has spent his life shitting on everyone else that can't do what he did? You're going beyond exaggeration.
- at-fates-hands 12y ago
  Actually he's not. You start with his Hall of Fame speech which was pretty shocking for everybody in attendance. Not before or since has a player admonished so many people he felt were beneath him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzBMGXfK4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzBMGXfK4c Here's some excerpt's from an ESPN article: "The greatest athlete of our time made sure to point out the high school coach who didn't put him on the varsity his sophomore year. (He was never cut, per se. That's an urban myth akin to Catfish Hunter's nickname origin.) He pointed out the guy who made the team "over" him, who was in the audience; his college roommate, Buzz Peterson; the NBA vets who froze him out in his first All-Star Game, two of whom were there, George Gervin (who presented David Robinson) and Isiah Thomas (who presented John Stockton); Jazz guard Bryon Russell, who was guarding him on his final shot in a Bulls uniform; and, of course, former Bulls general manager Jerry Krause, with whom he had real conflict during his career. Krause, forever the outsider looking in, made the mistake of claiming he was skipping Jordan's induction because former coach Tex Winter, the originator of the triangle offense, wasn't inducted." "Onstage, Jordan adroitly, and unnecessarily, noted Krause wasn't invited before going on a diatribe about how organizations don't win championships, great players like him do" "Jordan, not known for being cheap, even commented on the high prices the Hall of Fame charged for this evening because of his induction, noting that he had to pay for his tickets. It was a small sniping comment for a man who could be the first athlete to be worth $1 billion, but he hates people making money off him, unless he's getting a cut."
twinkletank 12y ago
I don't think Jordan's accomplishments have anything to do with his being an asshole, or his license to be an asshole. This isn't even about Jordan at all. I just think everyone should be free to speak their mind with as much brutal honesty as they wish, without that being taken as license to dismiss everything they say and to wish harm upon them.
courtf 12y ago
It's a common trope, particularly among the more intellectually focused, to reduce sports to mindless drudgery.
bdcravens 12y ago
Steve Jobs: success built on talents of others (Woz), used sweatshop labor, and was very much a dick as well. Minimal technical talent. Jordan, when his team was down, could take over the game as a matter of choice. Apple took an investment from Microsoft when they were against the ropes.
- aswanson 12y ago
  This is late but I regard jobs as a talentless, opportunistic hack that got lucky, piggybacking and exploiting truly gifted people like Woz and Ives. He was an exploitative bastard that could see and cash in on other peoples talent, but was vacant in those categories himself. And the Mac classic was the shittiest computer placed on this planet.

adventured 12y ago

Can you show me where Jordan has spent his life shitting on everyone else that can't do what he did? You're going beyond exaggeration.

at-fates-hands 12y ago
Actually he's not. You start with his Hall of Fame speech which was pretty shocking for everybody in attendance. Not before or since has a player admonished so many people he felt were beneath him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzBMGXfK4c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzBMGXfK4c Here's some excerpt's from an ESPN article: "The greatest athlete of our time made sure to point out the high school coach who didn't put him on the varsity his sophomore year. (He was never cut, per se. That's an urban myth akin to Catfish Hunter's nickname origin.) He pointed out the guy who made the team "over" him, who was in the audience; his college roommate, Buzz Peterson; the NBA vets who froze him out in his first All-Star Game, two of whom were there, George Gervin (who presented David Robinson) and Isiah Thomas (who presented John Stockton); Jazz guard Bryon Russell, who was guarding him on his final shot in a Bulls uniform; and, of course, former Bulls general manager Jerry Krause, with whom he had real conflict during his career. Krause, forever the outsider looking in, made the mistake of claiming he was skipping Jordan's induction because former coach Tex Winter, the originator of the triangle offense, wasn't inducted." "Onstage, Jordan adroitly, and unnecessarily, noted Krause wasn't invited before going on a diatribe about how organizations don't win championships, great players like him do" "Jordan, not known for being cheap, even commented on the high prices the Hall of Fame charged for this evening because of his induction, noting that he had to pay for his tickets. It was a small sniping comment for a man who could be the first athlete to be worth $1 billion, but he hates people making money off him, unless he's getting a cut."

twinkletank 12y ago

I don't think Jordan's accomplishments have anything to do with his being an asshole, or his license to be an asshole. This isn't even about Jordan at all. I just think everyone should be free to speak their mind with as much brutal honesty as they wish, without that being taken as license to dismiss everything they say and to wish harm upon them.

courtf 12y ago

It's a common trope, particularly among the more intellectually focused, to reduce sports to mindless drudgery.

bdcravens 12y ago

Steve Jobs: success built on talents of others (Woz), used sweatshop labor, and was very much a dick as well. Minimal technical talent. Jordan, when his team was down, could take over the game as a matter of choice. Apple took an investment from Microsoft when they were against the ropes.

aswanson 12y ago
This is late but I regard jobs as a talentless, opportunistic hack that got lucky, piggybacking and exploiting truly gifted people like Woz and Ives. He was an exploitative bastard that could see and cash in on other peoples talent, but was vacant in those categories himself. And the Mac classic was the shittiest computer placed on this planet.