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My life as an ocasional stoner would be easier if I had a map like this one for my area.

by olh 12y ago

atmosx 12y ago
Its not like that actually. If you could read Italian you would understand that the area is extremely dangerous, anythnig can happen at any time. People get shot just by tresspassing, the people living in the area are desperate and the police does not care (probably bribed?). There are many corps found along syringes and so forth. Its not like a guy in college who sells pot in his dorm or something... In some areas Athens is like that (e.g. Omonia Square at night).
- ddoolin 12y ago
  Could you (or someone) translate just a few of the messages so we can get an idea of what's going on on the map? I'm not quite understanding the intended goal of the map is all.
  - Mandatum 12y ago
    Turn on Google Translate, they're comprehensible.
    - jvdh 12y ago
      Interesting, trying to do that in Safari gives an error (in Italian). Something about those URLs not being allowed. I'm guessing that Chrome does allow you to do this?
      - Mandatum 12y ago
        Yes, working in Chrome.
- olh 12y ago
  Oh, I'm brazilian. Try going to a favela to buy pot: way worse.
- cgore 12y ago
  Italy makes some really good firearms, I'm a big fan of Beretta. Too bad only criminals can easily have them in Italy itself. Life would be a lot safer for these people if people besides criminals and bribed cops had them.
  - pmontra 12y ago
    I don't think so. Criminals would have to get bigger guns and would be more willing to fire, police too. People would risk getting shot much often and won't get around firing to criminals anyway: I never seen that happen even in countries like the USA with free access to guns. It's lose lose for everybody unless for the ones that sell guns.
  - skrebbel 12y ago
    The non-bribed cops also have them.
  - aruggirello 12y ago
    You (anybody in fact) can have them too in Italy. You have to get a license though - before you can purchase one. Mind you, having one and carrying it along with you is considered very different.
  - vacri 12y ago
    Italy has a homicide rate of 0.9/100k. The US, homeland of your argument 'if only X had a gun!' and where concealed carry is rife, has as homicide rate of 4.7/100k. Seems to me that the Italians are doing better here.
    - carlob 12y ago
      The Italian homicide rate is mostly dominated by organized crime. This was particularly extreme at the beginning of the 90's where homicides related to organized crime where almost 40% of the total and the rate was closer to 3/100k. You basically see the homicide rate spike up in conjunction with mafia wars, which can kill up to 1000 victims in the span of a handful of years.
    - 12y ago
- zaidf 12y ago
  Sounds almost like San Francisco.
- Zigurd 12y ago
  What do you think decriminalization would do regarding those dangers?
  - carlob 12y ago
    Consumption is already somewhat decriminalized in Italy. Legalization would have a much bigger effect, and it's what the author of this map is advocating to combat marginalization.
- sebastianavina 12y ago
  ey! just like Mexico.
- aruggirello 12y ago
  > Its not like that actually. If you could read Italian you would understand that the area is extremely dangerous, anythnig can happen at any time. People get shot just by tresspassing, the people living in the area are desperate and the police does not care (probably bribed?). There are many corps found along syringes and so forth. While it's obvious that the area is dangerous, where did you read that "People get shot just by trespassing"? Or, that "the police does not care (probably bribed?)"? Police in Rome is really on a budget (like almost everything in Italy). I wouldn't be surprised there was a single patrol at night that's assigned with that whole area (actually, I wouldn't be surprised the area assigned was much larger than that). Edit: Procuratorate was (in 2003) not willing to investigate further after 150 arrests in 6 months. That's where you might suspect bribery. From the page: "Parziale e incompleta mappa interattiva di ciò che ha prodotto al Pigneto il narcotraffico e l'inerzia degli amministratori. La testimonianza della loro vergogna e della nostra quotidiana umiliazione. Ma anche della nostra resistenza. Scriveteci per correzioni, segnalazioni e commenti." Literally: "Incomplete interactive map of what drug trafficking and inertia by the city administration has produced. A witness of what they should be ashamed of, and what is humiliating us daily, but also of our resistance. Write us for corrections, reports and comments." What follows is a list of 'interesting' places. There are two death places in the map, one is labeled "Luogo di consumo e morte" = "Place of [drug] use and death", the other "Vittima del conflitto - nordafricano sgozzato alle otto di sera" = "Victim of the fight - [a] North African [illegal alien] slaughtered at eight pm" http://www.ilmessaggero.it/ROMA/CRONACA/pigneto_nordafricano_muore_sgozzato_fermato_un_24enne_del_gambia/notizie/250715.shtml http://www.ilmessaggero.it/ROMA/CRONACA/pigneto_nordafricano...

My life as an ocasional stoner would be easier if I had a map like this one for my area.

by olh 12y ago

My life as an ocasional stoner would be easier if I had a map like this one for my area.

Its not like that actually. If you could read Italian you would understand that the area is extremely dangerous, anythnig can happen at any time. People get shot just by tresspassing, the people living in the area are desperate and the police does not care (probably bribed?). There are many corps found along syringes and so forth. Its not like a guy in college who sells pot in his dorm or something... In some areas Athens is like that (e.g. Omonia Square at night).

ddoolin 12y ago
Could you (or someone) translate just a few of the messages so we can get an idea of what's going on on the map? I'm not quite understanding the intended goal of the map is all.
- Mandatum 12y ago
  Turn on Google Translate, they're comprehensible.
  - jvdh 12y ago
    Interesting, trying to do that in Safari gives an error (in Italian). Something about those URLs not being allowed. I'm guessing that Chrome does allow you to do this?
    - Mandatum 12y ago
      Yes, working in Chrome.
olh 12y ago
Oh, I'm brazilian. Try going to a favela to buy pot: way worse.
cgore 12y ago
Italy makes some really good firearms, I'm a big fan of Beretta. Too bad only criminals can easily have them in Italy itself. Life would be a lot safer for these people if people besides criminals and bribed cops had them.
- pmontra 12y ago
  I don't think so. Criminals would have to get bigger guns and would be more willing to fire, police too. People would risk getting shot much often and won't get around firing to criminals anyway: I never seen that happen even in countries like the USA with free access to guns. It's lose lose for everybody unless for the ones that sell guns.
- skrebbel 12y ago
  The non-bribed cops also have them.
- aruggirello 12y ago
  You (anybody in fact) can have them too in Italy. You have to get a license though - before you can purchase one. Mind you, having one and carrying it along with you is considered very different.
- vacri 12y ago
  Italy has a homicide rate of 0.9/100k. The US, homeland of your argument 'if only X had a gun!' and where concealed carry is rife, has as homicide rate of 4.7/100k. Seems to me that the Italians are doing better here.
  - carlob 12y ago
    The Italian homicide rate is mostly dominated by organized crime. This was particularly extreme at the beginning of the 90's where homicides related to organized crime where almost 40% of the total and the rate was closer to 3/100k. You basically see the homicide rate spike up in conjunction with mafia wars, which can kill up to 1000 victims in the span of a handful of years.
  - 12y ago
zaidf 12y ago
Sounds almost like San Francisco.
Zigurd 12y ago
What do you think decriminalization would do regarding those dangers?
- carlob 12y ago
  Consumption is already somewhat decriminalized in Italy. Legalization would have a much bigger effect, and it's what the author of this map is advocating to combat marginalization.
sebastianavina 12y ago
ey! just like Mexico.
aruggirello 12y ago
> Its not like that actually. If you could read Italian you would understand that the area is extremely dangerous, anythnig can happen at any time. People get shot just by tresspassing, the people living in the area are desperate and the police does not care (probably bribed?). There are many corps found along syringes and so forth. While it's obvious that the area is dangerous, where did you read that "People get shot just by trespassing"? Or, that "the police does not care (probably bribed?)"? Police in Rome is really on a budget (like almost everything in Italy). I wouldn't be surprised there was a single patrol at night that's assigned with that whole area (actually, I wouldn't be surprised the area assigned was much larger than that). Edit: Procuratorate was (in 2003) not willing to investigate further after 150 arrests in 6 months. That's where you might suspect bribery. From the page: "Parziale e incompleta mappa interattiva di ciò che ha prodotto al Pigneto il narcotraffico e l'inerzia degli amministratori. La testimonianza della loro vergogna e della nostra quotidiana umiliazione. Ma anche della nostra resistenza. Scriveteci per correzioni, segnalazioni e commenti." Literally: "Incomplete interactive map of what drug trafficking and inertia by the city administration has produced. A witness of what they should be ashamed of, and what is humiliating us daily, but also of our resistance. Write us for corrections, reports and comments." What follows is a list of 'interesting' places. There are two death places in the map, one is labeled "Luogo di consumo e morte" = "Place of [drug] use and death", the other "Vittima del conflitto - nordafricano sgozzato alle otto di sera" = "Victim of the fight - [a] North African [illegal alien] slaughtered at eight pm" http://www.ilmessaggero.it/ROMA/CRONACA/pigneto_nordafricano_muore_sgozzato_fermato_un_24enne_del_gambia/notizie/250715.shtml http://www.ilmessaggero.it/ROMA/CRONACA/pigneto_nordafricano...