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For me the absolute killer feature for Gimp or Krita would be a way to save the editing history, which is currently lost with all the levels of 'undo' when you

For me the absolute killer feature for Gimp or Krita would be a way to save the editing history, which is currently lost with all the levels of 'undo' when you save in native format. Versioning for image editing; I don't know how it would be done but by Jove it would be a time-saver.

michaelmcmillan 12y ago
I use git for that, works great.
- slightlycuban 12y ago
  With Gimp? Explain.
  - notatoad 12y ago
    Git handles binaries perfectly fine. Your repo is gonna get big fast, and it isn't going to handle merges, but if you just want a linear version history and are used to git, you might as well use it.
  - yoha 12y ago
    He probably means to add the project file to the versioning system and commit regularly so that you can rollback to a previous version. It's way less flexible than Undo though.
- blowski 12y ago
  And even easier (though more expensive and less versatile) - Dropbox or Time Machine.
henningtegen 12y ago
I am the main developer of a new painting application called Leonardo ( http://www.getleonardo.com http://www.getleonardo.com ) which include this feature for our native .LEO file format. Leonardo is currently in early beta.
- Yrlec 12y ago
  Cool. Did you implement the versioning yourself or do you use git or something like that underneath?
  - henningtegen 12y ago
    We implemented it our self. We tried a bunch of existing solutions like SQLite but they were all too slow handling large amount of pixels.
- reikonomusha 12y ago
  I was pretty impressed with the demo. Great work.
  - henningtegen 12y ago
    Thanks
- amelius 12y ago
  Nice. I'm wondering, does "zero lag" mean that the painting is handled in a background thread, while keeping the UI responsive. Or does it mean something else?
  - henningtegen 12y ago
    Yes and progressively updating the resolution.
- DLarsen 12y ago
  The "Ghost Point" and "Isometric" strokes look very useful. While with practice I think I'll develop a steady hand with my Wacom, those features look really helpful when precision is needed.
  - kamih 12y ago
    FYI, you can also add those features (lazy mouse, curved lines, isometric and perspective constraints) to any art app (including Photoshop) with the Lazy Nezumi Pro app. http://lazynezumi.com http://lazynezumi.com
stan_rogers 12y ago
That, in a nutshell, is one of Photoshop's great strengths. It's not that you can save undo data, but that most things don't need to be undone if you take advantage of smart objects (decomposable composites, more or less) and adjustment layers. Even deformation meshes (warps, liquify, etc.) can be stored, changed and re-applied (to multiple things, including masks). I'm not really committed to anything in Ps until I export, and then the PSD is still there if the client wants a change. I know that colour management and bit depth have been at the top of a lot of lists (and rightly so), but if anyone wants to step up and challenge Ps as the professional tool, then non-destructive editing is not optional.
- boudewijnrempt 12y ago
  Krita has had filter layers (non-destructive, mask + filter layers right inside the layer stack) since _2005_. Krita has had color management, with icc profiles and cmyk, rgb, lab and xyz since 2005. OpenColorIO based color management since 2012. Krita 2.9 has non-destructive transform masks -- and 2.9 is in beta right now. You can have selections masks local to a layer. There have been group layers for a decade. So, yeah, non-destructive editing is not optional. It's been around for about ten years, in Krita.
  - stan_rogers 12y ago
    So, only a little behind. I'm not knocking Krita, nor am I saying that Ps is beyond reach and will forever be the standard. I welcome real competition, because frankly there hasn't been anything close enough in far too long. And much of what has gotten pretty close has thrown the third-party ecosystem overboard without replacement -- which may in some cases be necessary, but when you tell people that their "one hour's work in a click" time-savers are going away, they're not going to be impressed with what you've done to their workflow and profitability.
nbush 12y ago
Not really versioning, but Ormr [1] is built around completely non-destructive editing with history baked into each project. Still in beta but worth a look. [1] https://www.getormr.com/ https://www.getormr.com/
michaelbuddy 12y ago
I bought affinity designer for Mac, it's a vector software but it has a history slider, I don't think it saves with the file format but it's an amazing take on history display. One 3D program I saw did save the history with it, but I can't recall the name.

michaelmcmillan 12y ago

I use git for that, works great.

slightlycuban 12y ago
With Gimp? Explain.
- notatoad 12y ago
  Git handles binaries perfectly fine. Your repo is gonna get big fast, and it isn't going to handle merges, but if you just want a linear version history and are used to git, you might as well use it.
- yoha 12y ago
  He probably means to add the project file to the versioning system and commit regularly so that you can rollback to a previous version. It's way less flexible than Undo though.
blowski 12y ago
And even easier (though more expensive and less versatile) - Dropbox or Time Machine.

henningtegen 12y ago

I am the main developer of a new painting application called Leonardo ( http://www.getleonardo.com http://www.getleonardo.com ) which include this feature for our native .LEO file format. Leonardo is currently in early beta.

Yrlec 12y ago
Cool. Did you implement the versioning yourself or do you use git or something like that underneath?
- henningtegen 12y ago
  We implemented it our self. We tried a bunch of existing solutions like SQLite but they were all too slow handling large amount of pixels.
reikonomusha 12y ago
I was pretty impressed with the demo. Great work.
- henningtegen 12y ago
  Thanks
amelius 12y ago
Nice. I'm wondering, does "zero lag" mean that the painting is handled in a background thread, while keeping the UI responsive. Or does it mean something else?
- henningtegen 12y ago
  Yes and progressively updating the resolution.
DLarsen 12y ago
The "Ghost Point" and "Isometric" strokes look very useful. While with practice I think I'll develop a steady hand with my Wacom, those features look really helpful when precision is needed.
- kamih 12y ago
  FYI, you can also add those features (lazy mouse, curved lines, isometric and perspective constraints) to any art app (including Photoshop) with the Lazy Nezumi Pro app. http://lazynezumi.com http://lazynezumi.com

stan_rogers 12y ago

That, in a nutshell, is one of Photoshop's great strengths. It's not that you can save undo data, but that most things don't need to be undone if you take advantage of smart objects (decomposable composites, more or less) and adjustment layers. Even deformation meshes (warps, liquify, etc.) can be stored, changed and re-applied (to multiple things, including masks). I'm not really committed to anything in Ps until I export, and then the PSD is still there if the client wants a change. I know that colour management and bit depth have been at the top of a lot of lists (and rightly so), but if anyone wants to step up and challenge Ps as the professional tool, then non-destructive editing is not optional.

boudewijnrempt 12y ago
Krita has had filter layers (non-destructive, mask + filter layers right inside the layer stack) since _2005_. Krita has had color management, with icc profiles and cmyk, rgb, lab and xyz since 2005. OpenColorIO based color management since 2012. Krita 2.9 has non-destructive transform masks -- and 2.9 is in beta right now. You can have selections masks local to a layer. There have been group layers for a decade. So, yeah, non-destructive editing is not optional. It's been around for about ten years, in Krita.
- stan_rogers 12y ago
  So, only a little behind. I'm not knocking Krita, nor am I saying that Ps is beyond reach and will forever be the standard. I welcome real competition, because frankly there hasn't been anything close enough in far too long. And much of what has gotten pretty close has thrown the third-party ecosystem overboard without replacement -- which may in some cases be necessary, but when you tell people that their "one hour's work in a click" time-savers are going away, they're not going to be impressed with what you've done to their workflow and profitability.

nbush 12y ago

Not really versioning, but Ormr [1] is built around completely non-destructive editing with history baked into each project. Still in beta but worth a look. [1] https://www.getormr.com/ https://www.getormr.com/

michaelbuddy 12y ago

I bought affinity designer for Mac, it's a vector software but it has a history slider, I don't think it saves with the file format but it's an amazing take on history display. One 3D program I saw did save the history with it, but I can't recall the name.