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We should adopt a very simple policy: the satire will continue until the killings stop. This puts the onus on the Islamist murderers to stop killing people. Wh

We should adopt a very simple policy: the satire will continue until the killings stop. This puts the onus on the Islamist murderers to stop killing people. When they stop killing people for making fun of them for being religion-addled killers, the number of people making fun of them for being religion-addled murderers will start a long slow decline, until eventually it will, as it were, die away. Until then, we should all make fun of them for being murderous anti-Bayesians, because they are. We should also depict the Prophet Muhammad ~0:-{= frequently and with great glee, because offending murderers and defending free speech is way more important than delicately tiptoeing around the sensibilities of the vast majority of Muslims, who are in any case the primary victims of Islamist hatred.

louwrentius 12y ago
The satire will continue, wether or not the murdering stops. For ever. Because that's the concept of freedom of speech.
- ersii 12y ago
  Well, that's if freedom of speech continues to be allowed and accepted. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Freedom of Speech has a very bright future.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    These attacks are likely to promote freedoms of speech and to slow down people calling for restrictions. My position used to be one of asking people to consider whether the value of printing a shitty cartoon is worth causing deep offence to very many people. The murders have changed my position to supporting -with caution- the printing of these cartoons.
    - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
      >the value of printing a shitty cartoon is worth causing deep offence to very many people // Mostly they're choosing to be offended, they're seeking out something to be offended by. It's a case of "we want to be violent against people who oppose our views, so we'll look and find things we can call offensive and use that to justify murder and violence". It's behaviour that seems very true to the war-lord that inspires it however [as much as that person is depicted in "his" writings/collected sayings].
      - DanBC 12y ago
        I'm not talking about extremists but about the vast majority of moderate Muslims. And it's not just "offence" - this type of material promotes ignorance and fear and it marginalises and already marginalised minority.
        pbhjpbhj 12y ago
        The vast majority of muslims surely don't read Charlie Hebdo or similar satirical cartoons - how then can they be offended by them? The offence seemingly lies in society allowing people to hold views contrary to their religion. Even if you kowtow to that desire and implemented sharia in Western Europe there are seemingly enough Sunni and Shia willing to blow one another up that it's not going to prevent violent atrocities in the name of Islam. I don't understand how such satirising "promotes ignorance and fear" however, can you explain that? Surely the point of satire is cast a critical light on things in order to dispel what the satirist sees as ignorance.
disposedAccount 12y ago
Am I allowed to say that the Prophet Muhammad can go and fuck a pig without fear of being murdered? Plenty of people make jokes about others faiths yet do not expect death.

louwrentius 12y ago

The satire will continue, wether or not the murdering stops. For ever. Because that's the concept of freedom of speech.

ersii 12y ago
Well, that's if freedom of speech continues to be allowed and accepted. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Freedom of Speech has a very bright future.
- DanBC 12y ago
  These attacks are likely to promote freedoms of speech and to slow down people calling for restrictions. My position used to be one of asking people to consider whether the value of printing a shitty cartoon is worth causing deep offence to very many people. The murders have changed my position to supporting -with caution- the printing of these cartoons.
  - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
    >the value of printing a shitty cartoon is worth causing deep offence to very many people // Mostly they're choosing to be offended, they're seeking out something to be offended by. It's a case of "we want to be violent against people who oppose our views, so we'll look and find things we can call offensive and use that to justify murder and violence". It's behaviour that seems very true to the war-lord that inspires it however [as much as that person is depicted in "his" writings/collected sayings].
    - DanBC 12y ago
      I'm not talking about extremists but about the vast majority of moderate Muslims. And it's not just "offence" - this type of material promotes ignorance and fear and it marginalises and already marginalised minority.
      - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
        The vast majority of muslims surely don't read Charlie Hebdo or similar satirical cartoons - how then can they be offended by them? The offence seemingly lies in society allowing people to hold views contrary to their religion. Even if you kowtow to that desire and implemented sharia in Western Europe there are seemingly enough Sunni and Shia willing to blow one another up that it's not going to prevent violent atrocities in the name of Islam. I don't understand how such satirising "promotes ignorance and fear" however, can you explain that? Surely the point of satire is cast a critical light on things in order to dispel what the satirist sees as ignorance.

disposedAccount 12y ago

Am I allowed to say that the Prophet Muhammad can go and fuck a pig without fear of being murdered? Plenty of people make jokes about others faiths yet do not expect death.