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People are going in the streets to support the newspaper in France and other European cities, a map is available here: http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/car

by jknz 12y ago

People are going in the streets to support the newspaper in France and other European cities, a map is available here: http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/carte-interactive-tous-les-rassemblements-en-soutien-a-charlie-hebdo-07-01-2015-4426667.php http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/carte-interactive-tous... A noticeable fact is how mainstream newspapers in France are careful not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion.

baby 12y ago
> not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion. Something that reddit doesn't care about at all. I was wondering if no post about this event was on HN's frontpage because it tries to avoid political/flame wars. But now this is on the frontpage 5 hours after... And it's not even relevant.
- DanBC 12y ago
  The other stories get flagged. Turn on "showdead" to show them. Not sure why you think it's not relevant? Je Suis charlie is the phrase being used to show support and solidarity. (This is an unfortunate language coincidence.)
  - baby 12y ago
    Yes I noticed they got flagged and I guessed HN wanted to avoid that kind of stories here. It's not "as relevant" as an article explaining the story, the wikipedia page, ...
aragot 12y ago
> how mainstream newspapers in France are careful not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion Although it would be nice, from a PR standpoint, if some French Muslim organizations could condemn those events, becuase I don't know what most Muslims think about Charlie Hebdo. Have they? I have searched Google News for that and didn't find links, so please post if there are some. Or they may just not be sufficiently organized for PR.
- jknz 12y ago
  The president of the UOIF [1], the collective of all the French muslim organizations, is invited to speak at 8pm on France 2 (the national TV channel). Source: https://twitter.com/UOIF/status/552891285900894209 https://twitter.com/UOIF/status/552891285900894209 [1]: http://www.uoif-online.com/ http://www.uoif-online.com/
  - InclinedPlane 12y ago
    See also: http://www.uoif-online.com/communiques/horrible-attaque-au-siege-charlie-hebdo/ http://www.uoif-online.com/communiques/horrible-attaque-au-s... ["The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms this criminal attack, and these horrible murders."](translated)
- gohrt 12y ago
  > I don't know what most Muslims think about Charlie Hebdo Maybe ask most Muslims, not some self-appointed leaders?
  - mercer 12y ago
    At least here in Holland, many muslims form communities, often centered around cultural and religious centers. These communities tend to have leaders and/or spokespeople. These people can speak on behalf of the community. They are not (necessarily) self-appointed. In my experience, here, the moderate muslims are often rather quiet, perhaps out of fear. In general, they do not support extremism and fear non-muslim extremist retaliation. They are in a really bad spot, and I sympathize with their situation.
    - Jayd2014 12y ago
      A Muslim here. > the moderate muslims are often rather quiet. Yes we are. But there are a few reasons for that: 1- First, Muslims can't be put in one group, there is 1.6 billion muslims worldwide with hundreds of different views and levels of tolerance. 2- Most of them don't have time or are too busy with their daily life. Think about the % of people who go vote every four years in a democracy. 30% maybe 50% at max vote, the rest can't be bothered because they are busy with their daily problems. Add to that that most Muslims live in a third world country, so they have enough problems already. 3- The first people affected by terrorism in term of body counts and extremism in general are Muslims themselves. Did you know for example that ISIS consider the previous president of egypt (Mursi) who is from the muslim brotherhood to be an infidel who need to be killed. 4- People in Muslim countries are getting numb to all this news reports because they are used to it. I remember when I was a kid watching Arab TV news showing people dying in Palestine and at one time the TV commentator laughed. She then said she was sorry and she didn't mean to laugh at what was happening. Most Arabs/Muslim who care about what's going on the Middle East have already watched too much death to react to it. 5- Some people do want to go to the street and demonstrate against this blood shed but they are not allowed by their local governments. They fear that this could turn in a revolt. Arab spring says hi. 6- There have been hundreds if not thousands of condemnation an protests by muslims all over the world but the media don't cover them much because they don't fit the narrative of evil muslims. Me as a Muslim I'm ashamed of what is happening and wish this Scumbugs are captured and put to justice. I see to much politic invested in terrorism that I know it's about power not about religion. I also do believe we muslims failed big time to adapt to the 21st century and need to wake up and get our acts together. I'm really sorry for the families of the victims and I hope they capture the scums who did this. There was an interesting discussion on reddit about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/eli5_if_most_muslims_disagree_with_the_actions_of/ http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/el...
brohee 12y ago
Some of their victims were likely Muslims, including the cop they executed as he laid wounded. Unlike the US, I think most French people actually at least casually know some Muslims, which helps not seeing them as an alien entity.

by jknz 12y ago

baby 12y ago

> not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion. Something that reddit doesn't care about at all. I was wondering if no post about this event was on HN's frontpage because it tries to avoid political/flame wars. But now this is on the frontpage 5 hours after... And it's not even relevant.

DanBC 12y ago
The other stories get flagged. Turn on "showdead" to show them. Not sure why you think it's not relevant? Je Suis charlie is the phrase being used to show support and solidarity. (This is an unfortunate language coincidence.)
- baby 12y ago
  Yes I noticed they got flagged and I guessed HN wanted to avoid that kind of stories here. It's not "as relevant" as an article explaining the story, the wikipedia page, ...

aragot 12y ago

> how mainstream newspapers in France are careful not to make the amalgam between these few barbarians and a whole religion Although it would be nice, from a PR standpoint, if some French Muslim organizations could condemn those events, becuase I don't know what most Muslims think about Charlie Hebdo. Have they? I have searched Google News for that and didn't find links, so please post if there are some. Or they may just not be sufficiently organized for PR.

jknz 12y ago
The president of the UOIF [1], the collective of all the French muslim organizations, is invited to speak at 8pm on France 2 (the national TV channel). Source: https://twitter.com/UOIF/status/552891285900894209 https://twitter.com/UOIF/status/552891285900894209 [1]: http://www.uoif-online.com/ http://www.uoif-online.com/
- InclinedPlane 12y ago
  See also: http://www.uoif-online.com/communiques/horrible-attaque-au-siege-charlie-hebdo/ http://www.uoif-online.com/communiques/horrible-attaque-au-s... ["The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms this criminal attack, and these horrible murders."](translated)
gohrt 12y ago
> I don't know what most Muslims think about Charlie Hebdo Maybe ask most Muslims, not some self-appointed leaders?
- mercer 12y ago
  At least here in Holland, many muslims form communities, often centered around cultural and religious centers. These communities tend to have leaders and/or spokespeople. These people can speak on behalf of the community. They are not (necessarily) self-appointed. In my experience, here, the moderate muslims are often rather quiet, perhaps out of fear. In general, they do not support extremism and fear non-muslim extremist retaliation. They are in a really bad spot, and I sympathize with their situation.
  - Jayd2014 12y ago
    A Muslim here. > the moderate muslims are often rather quiet. Yes we are. But there are a few reasons for that: 1- First, Muslims can't be put in one group, there is 1.6 billion muslims worldwide with hundreds of different views and levels of tolerance. 2- Most of them don't have time or are too busy with their daily life. Think about the % of people who go vote every four years in a democracy. 30% maybe 50% at max vote, the rest can't be bothered because they are busy with their daily problems. Add to that that most Muslims live in a third world country, so they have enough problems already. 3- The first people affected by terrorism in term of body counts and extremism in general are Muslims themselves. Did you know for example that ISIS consider the previous president of egypt (Mursi) who is from the muslim brotherhood to be an infidel who need to be killed. 4- People in Muslim countries are getting numb to all this news reports because they are used to it. I remember when I was a kid watching Arab TV news showing people dying in Palestine and at one time the TV commentator laughed. She then said she was sorry and she didn't mean to laugh at what was happening. Most Arabs/Muslim who care about what's going on the Middle East have already watched too much death to react to it. 5- Some people do want to go to the street and demonstrate against this blood shed but they are not allowed by their local governments. They fear that this could turn in a revolt. Arab spring says hi. 6- There have been hundreds if not thousands of condemnation an protests by muslims all over the world but the media don't cover them much because they don't fit the narrative of evil muslims. Me as a Muslim I'm ashamed of what is happening and wish this Scumbugs are captured and put to justice. I see to much politic invested in terrorism that I know it's about power not about religion. I also do believe we muslims failed big time to adapt to the 21st century and need to wake up and get our acts together. I'm really sorry for the families of the victims and I hope they capture the scums who did this. There was an interesting discussion on reddit about this: http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/eli5_if_most_muslims_disagree_with_the_actions_of/ http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2rmmx8/el...

brohee 12y ago

Some of their victims were likely Muslims, including the cop they executed as he laid wounded. Unlike the US, I think most French people actually at least casually know some Muslims, which helps not seeing them as an alien entity.