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Exactly, this is the main problem I have with the people who claim in comment sections across the internet that since I'm only paying for a license to play the

Exactly, this is the main problem I have with the people who claim in comment sections across the internet that since I'm only paying for a license to play the content, I can't complain about owning it. Nowhere on the iTunes store does it say, "Click here to purchase license to play video". Not on Amazon or Google Play either. This is just a case of false advertising by content producers and distributors. If they can cheat me, why shouldn't I be entitled to cheat back?

josteink 12y ago
While that is a reasonable question, a even more reasonable question would be why are they allowed to cheat you and why do you have to cheat them back in the first place?
- Ar-Curunir 12y ago
  Sorry for the late reply, but I was simply framing my response in the context of the current situation, where if I want the right to play content that I purchased, then I basically have to resort to 'cheating'. Since I was misleadingly led to believe that I was purchasing the content itself, and not merely a right to play it within some closed box, I was cheated. I then have to resolve to cheating to regain what I believe I lost. If politicians took a stronger stand against the tactics of media companies, then I most likely wouldn't need to cheat.
w0utert 12y ago
You acknowledged that you were aware of these facts when you read the EULA (you did read it, right?) at some point in the past when installing or updating iTunes (or whatever other service). I know it's ridiculous but that's how it works, make sure to show a 50+ page 'you basically have no rights' notice that you have to 'agree', and you can strip whatever privileges you like from your paying customers.
- DanBC 12y ago
  That doesn't work in Germany and probably not in other EU countries. Cookie law shows that Europe will go after these small things. (But also that their "solution" might be stupid.)
- frabcus 12y ago
  Nobody reads EULAs. They are irrelevant in a historical context. They'll clearly be replaced by consumer law at some point. You don't have to sign a 20 page license to go into a shop and buy a banana, do you? And yet there are all sorts of property and purchasing rights (for buyer and seller) associated with that. The correct way of talking about this now is to discuss what the consumer law should say which will replace EULAs.
  - w0utert 12y ago
    Obviously I understand that nobody reads EULA's, and I completely agree that its crazy they even exist. Judging from the fact that I got downvoted for simply stating the obvious it appears people assume I'm ok with EULA's, but I'm not. That doesn't mean they don't exist though, and even though I don't know the intricacies of their legality, the fact that I'm not aware anyone ever successfully challenged an EULA in court (which would mean they should be history by now), I'm assuming that, sadly, content owners and distributors can strip your rights by presenting you with an EULA that no-one reads.
- marcosdumay 12y ago
  No, sorry, I didn't read the EULA. Also, I'm not a lawyer, and wont hire one to review each piece of software I use. In fact, I'm so wiling to take legal risks that I'll even greet my neighbors without consulting a lawyer first!
- pluma 12y ago
  Not all EULAs hold up in all jurisdictions.

josteink 12y ago

While that is a reasonable question, a even more reasonable question would be why are they allowed to cheat you and why do you have to cheat them back in the first place?

Ar-Curunir 12y ago
Sorry for the late reply, but I was simply framing my response in the context of the current situation, where if I want the right to play content that I purchased, then I basically have to resort to 'cheating'. Since I was misleadingly led to believe that I was purchasing the content itself, and not merely a right to play it within some closed box, I was cheated. I then have to resolve to cheating to regain what I believe I lost. If politicians took a stronger stand against the tactics of media companies, then I most likely wouldn't need to cheat.

w0utert 12y ago

You acknowledged that you were aware of these facts when you read the EULA (you did read it, right?) at some point in the past when installing or updating iTunes (or whatever other service). I know it's ridiculous but that's how it works, make sure to show a 50+ page 'you basically have no rights' notice that you have to 'agree', and you can strip whatever privileges you like from your paying customers.

DanBC 12y ago
That doesn't work in Germany and probably not in other EU countries. Cookie law shows that Europe will go after these small things. (But also that their "solution" might be stupid.)
frabcus 12y ago
Nobody reads EULAs. They are irrelevant in a historical context. They'll clearly be replaced by consumer law at some point. You don't have to sign a 20 page license to go into a shop and buy a banana, do you? And yet there are all sorts of property and purchasing rights (for buyer and seller) associated with that. The correct way of talking about this now is to discuss what the consumer law should say which will replace EULAs.
- w0utert 12y ago
  Obviously I understand that nobody reads EULA's, and I completely agree that its crazy they even exist. Judging from the fact that I got downvoted for simply stating the obvious it appears people assume I'm ok with EULA's, but I'm not. That doesn't mean they don't exist though, and even though I don't know the intricacies of their legality, the fact that I'm not aware anyone ever successfully challenged an EULA in court (which would mean they should be history by now), I'm assuming that, sadly, content owners and distributors can strip your rights by presenting you with an EULA that no-one reads.
marcosdumay 12y ago
No, sorry, I didn't read the EULA. Also, I'm not a lawyer, and wont hire one to review each piece of software I use. In fact, I'm so wiling to take legal risks that I'll even greet my neighbors without consulting a lawyer first!
pluma 12y ago
Not all EULAs hold up in all jurisdictions.