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I run https://snipt.net https://snipt.net, one of the sites listed as being blocked, and I've never received any communication from anyone with the Indian gover
by nicksergeant 12y ago
I run https://snipt.net https://snipt.net, one of the sites listed as being blocked, and I've never received any communication from anyone with the Indian government or ISPs. So they're not proactively doing anything to unblock these sites, as far as I can tell.
- DINKDINK 12y agoWhy would they have any incentive to contact you? From their perspective the problem is solved -- the material offending statist is out of sight, out of mind. You're the one who wants a different situation to exist. Governments aren't in the customer service business.
- nicksergeant 12y agoI actually don't care at all, but sucks for developers in India who 1) want to use Snipt or 2) have already paid for it. Edit: on item 2, I'll happily refund any Indian developers who've already paid for Snipt and want their money back, but my point is valid.
- jusben1369 12y ago"Governments aren't in the customer service business" - Errr actually that's exactly the business democratic governments are in. Not saying they don't fail regularly but when you are elected by the people for the people you'd better be prepared to provide customer service.
- iopq 12y agoExcept most people won't know about this or care. You get the government you deserve, which is to say, a shitty one.
- chetanahuja 12y agoDon't know why you're being downvoted. This is absolutely correct. Even more so for India than, say, the US (source: I'm Indian). Nobody but a tiny tiny fraction of the population cares that github is getting blocked. The opposition wouldn't even bother making it a big issue since the numbers are so insignificant. And even if they did, they don't really have a moral leg to stand on because all politicians and government officials, almost without exception (ok.. maybe with some rare exceptions) are eager to use censorship when it suites their purposes (usually under the pretext of national security... but even that figleaf is not always necessary).
- honeybooboo123 12y agoOh come on. Whenever the public actually demands something, the government's response is always batons, tear-gas and rubber bullets (and some torture thrown in for good measure, of course). You call that customer service? Imagine McDonald's tasing you for complaining about not getting what you ordered. -That's exactly how governments behave. As a recent example, China and HK declare that from now on, Hong Kong's electoral candidates will be chosen by the tyrants in Beijing. HK's citizens protest. HK's police forces brutalize the citizens.
- code_duck 12y agoGovernments should be in the customer service business. Typically, they provide many services that, if they were provided by private companies, which they very well could be, would be customer service oriented. The concept that a government employees such as police are not working for the people is exactly what's wrong with the attitudes surrounding police in the United States. They are providing a service that we pay for as taxpayers, and theoretically, we are their employers, or customers.
- iopq 12y agoYou're not a customer because you're being forced to pay. You have no choice in the matter. If they provide really really bad service you still have to pay.
- code_duck 12y agoSure, that's the situation in a monopoly. It's not that we're not in a customer role, just that we're poorly served customers of a monopoly where management doesn't seem to understand for whom they're working. If the whole system wasn't sondysfunctional, poor service would be addressed by our elected representatives, who are supposed to be properly planning government services for us.
- iopq 12y agoGovernment services are by definition a monopoly because there is only one government in your country. It's a bit worse, though. If there's a monopoly on electricity I can just stop paying and get a generator. If there is a monopoly on air flights I could drive or take a boat. However, if I stop paying the government I go to prison.
- Xeoncross 12y ago"The websites were blocked for hosting content that is pro terrorist group ISIS and not cooperating with government investigations, officials said." For some strange reason I'm inclined to believe you rather than India's government officials.
- nicksergeant 12y ago¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have no problem whatsoever with removing offending content from Snipt. I regularly remove and ban users who post illegal or otherwise inappropriate content on the site. If they contact me, I'll happily remove anything even remotely "pro terrorist group ISIS", but as mentioned, I've received no such requests (and I don't proactively review private snippets for offensive content unless it's reported to me).
- TylerE 12y agoThat may not be in your best interest, lefally. Pro-active moderation makes it very hard to argue safe harbor status.
- nicksergeant 12y agoHow so?
- oasisbob 12y agoWith regards to DMCA, 512(m) seems applicable.
- nicksergeant 12y agoApplicable how?
- chris_wot 12y ago"(m) Protection of Privacy.— Nothing in this section shall be construed to condition the applicability of subsections (a) through (d) on— (1) a service provider monitoring its service or affirmatively seeking facts indicating infringing activity, except to the extent consistent with a standard technical measure complying with the provisions of subsection (i); or (2) a service provider gaining access to, removing, or disabling access to material in cases in which such conduct is prohibited by law." Dude, you desperately need a designated agent. You just aren't under safe harbor at the moment.
- alexivanovs 12y agoNice, here is my chance to get in touch with you again. A few weeks ago I tweeted out something along the lines of you hosting a lot of credit card dumps on your service, have you done anything about this? I don't care to check once again, but your site did have a lot of users offering stolen credit cards for sale. Are you aware of this?
- cryptbin 12y agoAs the owner of https://cryptbin.com https://cryptbin.com, also on the list, I've never received any such communication either.
- cmadan 12y agoCan you send out a tweet from the Cryptbin or your personal Twitter account stating that you haven't received any communication? Retweets should help raise awareness on this. Thanks!
- cryptbin 12y agoDone! https://twitter.com/cryptbin/status/550455122091077632 https://twitter.com/cryptbin/status/550455122091077632
- p3rs3us 12y agoAs far as I can tell, the ban has not yet been enforced. I can access both https://cryptbin.com/ https://cryptbin.com/ and https://snipt.net/ https://snipt.net/, though my ISP is limited only to Bangalore area. Edit: Well, it looks like pastebin & dailymotion are banned, but cryptbin and snipt aren't
- usbreply 12y agocryptbin and snipt are blocked here (Vodafone network). I presume all the major ISPs have implemented the bans. I think you should not have commented if you knew that your ISP doesn't care to enforce government ordered bans (I know some small ISPs can't afford the hardware to implement URL blocking.).
- _nedR 12y agoAll 4 seemed to be blocked from my office in Kerala. Github is up so they probably have resolved the issue. A week back Github became mysteriously unavailable (with github status showing no downtime). I guess now we know what happened.
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- tomrod 12y agoSorry for your troubles. If you don't mind me asking, I'm interested in how much traffic has dropped since the blocking? Are you seeing people come in around the block, possibly?
- h43k3r 12y agoDon't expect the people from India to contact you. They are just too dumb to do this. People who makes such decision have no knowledge of internet and what are good and bad sites. PS - I am an Indian
- vithlani 12y agoWell said my friend, so true.
- ksinghsandhu 12y agoagree.
- cweiske 12y agoI'm the developer of phorkie, and I also have not been contacted by anyone official about the block.