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Why not just skip burgers? There's no way this can be healthier or more delicious than fresh vegetables.

by pietro 12y ago

meepmorp 12y ago
Food has social and emotional components for most people. What's wrong with providing a different option in a format with which people are already familiar and comfortable?
jemfinch 12y ago
Sorry, did you just claim that "there's no way" anyone could find a burger "more delicious" than fresh vegetables? Were you smirking when you wrote that? Is this some hard to detect form of sarcasm?
- JoelHobson 12y ago
  I think what they said was that there's no way a burger that was made of vegetables could taste better than fresh vegetables.
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    That's still a pretty ridiculous claim. That every plant we grow is in some perfect state where processing can't improve it. Especially when you consider how many are weird artificially bred mutants so any evolutionary argument is instantly invalid.
anon4 12y ago
As far as I know, people can't synthesise the needed amino-acids just from plants, but can from this products. So it is more healthy.
- Symmetry 12y ago
  Being vegan makes it a bit of a challenge to get enough of the right sort of vitamins but it certainly is possible. And if you're willing to consume dairy it's actually pretty easy. You can't quite survive on milk and potatoes alone but it's close.
  - vram22 12y ago
    I'm not a nutritionist, so take this with a grain of salt (pun intended :) - just adding my 2c about what I've read: I've read that vegetarian food (with the right combination of veg. items) can supply all the nutrients that humans need, except for vitamin B12. For B12 you need dairy or meat products, IIRC. About amino acids and a vegetarian diet: I had read long ago in a book about nutrition, that diets like the staple Indian diet of cereals and pulses (and vegetables too, of course) can supply all the needed amino acids, if the ratio is around 3:1 for cereal:pulse (where pulse == legume (seeds), like dals / beans / lentils / chickpeas / etc.). And that ratio is roughly what people use when eating rice with dal, or rotis/chapatis with dal, for example. This works because the cereals and pulses are both deficient in certain amino acids that humans need, but different ones, so combining them works to give enough of all of them, in the right proportions. Coincidentally, just today I was reading up on Chinese cuisine, and one link led to another and I looked up Legume in Google and then in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume See under the section Nutrition Facts on that page. Interestingly, the article also says that that theory of protein combining - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining - is now out of favor, but still says that that ratio works, and gives examples of people in India and other countries eating foods that give that combo - e.g. "Mexican beans with corn tortillas, and the Middle Eastern Hummus (Chickpea spread commonly served with Pita bread) and Mujaddara (A dish consisting mainly of rice and lentils).[7]" In this connection, the story of Alain Bombard, which I read as a kid, is interesting too - he sailed across the Atlantic in a small boat, with no provisions, catching fish and plankton to survive. I think I read that he researched nutrition needs and decided to get plankton too, because meat / fish do not contain Vitamin C. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Bombard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Bombard
- DanBC 12y ago
  People combine plant products to get all the needed amino acids. Cats need taurine which is not available from plants which is one reason why you shouldn't turn your cat vegetarian.
- steego 12y ago
  The nine essential amino acids are the acids people can't synthesize, but all of them are available in plants. Not only are they in plants, many plants like tomatoes, brown rice, potatoes, peppers, corn, celery, carrots, etc. contain various amounts of all nine essential amino acids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2937?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=carrots&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby= http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2937?fg=&man=&lfacet=...
lazythrowaway 12y ago
You need to step outside your own shoes for something like this - most people think burgers can easily be tastier than vegetables.
JoeAltmaier 12y ago
Never mind that; being a burger brings expectations that are hard to meet. Why not be something different, so folks try it with an open mind?

Why not just skip burgers? There's no way this can be healthier or more delicious than fresh vegetables.

by pietro 12y ago

Why not just skip burgers? There's no way this can be healthier or more delicious than fresh vegetables.

Food has social and emotional components for most people. What's wrong with providing a different option in a format with which people are already familiar and comfortable?

jemfinch 12y ago

Sorry, did you just claim that "there's no way" anyone could find a burger "more delicious" than fresh vegetables? Were you smirking when you wrote that? Is this some hard to detect form of sarcasm?

JoelHobson 12y ago
I think what they said was that there's no way a burger that was made of vegetables could taste better than fresh vegetables.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  That's still a pretty ridiculous claim. That every plant we grow is in some perfect state where processing can't improve it. Especially when you consider how many are weird artificially bred mutants so any evolutionary argument is instantly invalid.

anon4 12y ago

As far as I know, people can't synthesise the needed amino-acids just from plants, but can from this products. So it is more healthy.

Symmetry 12y ago
Being vegan makes it a bit of a challenge to get enough of the right sort of vitamins but it certainly is possible. And if you're willing to consume dairy it's actually pretty easy. You can't quite survive on milk and potatoes alone but it's close.
- vram22 12y ago
  I'm not a nutritionist, so take this with a grain of salt (pun intended :) - just adding my 2c about what I've read: I've read that vegetarian food (with the right combination of veg. items) can supply all the nutrients that humans need, except for vitamin B12. For B12 you need dairy or meat products, IIRC. About amino acids and a vegetarian diet: I had read long ago in a book about nutrition, that diets like the staple Indian diet of cereals and pulses (and vegetables too, of course) can supply all the needed amino acids, if the ratio is around 3:1 for cereal:pulse (where pulse == legume (seeds), like dals / beans / lentils / chickpeas / etc.). And that ratio is roughly what people use when eating rice with dal, or rotis/chapatis with dal, for example. This works because the cereals and pulses are both deficient in certain amino acids that humans need, but different ones, so combining them works to give enough of all of them, in the right proportions. Coincidentally, just today I was reading up on Chinese cuisine, and one link led to another and I looked up Legume in Google and then in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume See under the section Nutrition Facts on that page. Interestingly, the article also says that that theory of protein combining - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining - is now out of favor, but still says that that ratio works, and gives examples of people in India and other countries eating foods that give that combo - e.g. "Mexican beans with corn tortillas, and the Middle Eastern Hummus (Chickpea spread commonly served with Pita bread) and Mujaddara (A dish consisting mainly of rice and lentils).[7]" In this connection, the story of Alain Bombard, which I read as a kid, is interesting too - he sailed across the Atlantic in a small boat, with no provisions, catching fish and plankton to survive. I think I read that he researched nutrition needs and decided to get plankton too, because meat / fish do not contain Vitamin C. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Bombard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Bombard
DanBC 12y ago
People combine plant products to get all the needed amino acids. Cats need taurine which is not available from plants which is one reason why you shouldn't turn your cat vegetarian.
steego 12y ago
The nine essential amino acids are the acids people can't synthesize, but all of them are available in plants. Not only are they in plants, many plants like tomatoes, brown rice, potatoes, peppers, corn, celery, carrots, etc. contain various amounts of all nine essential amino acids. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_amino_acid http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2937?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=carrots&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby= http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2937?fg=&man=&lfacet=...

lazythrowaway 12y ago

You need to step outside your own shoes for something like this - most people think burgers can easily be tastier than vegetables.

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

Never mind that; being a burger brings expectations that are hard to meet. Why not be something different, so folks try it with an open mind?