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Brief is not the same as lazy. I personally find comments that say what they mean to say in a short amount of text much more useful than ones that go on for par

by ebbv 12y ago

Brief is not the same as lazy. I personally find comments that say what they mean to say in a short amount of text much more useful than ones that go on for paragraphs without saying anything new. I strive for brevity. I revised the one you responded to so you may want to check that now. As far as more details of what I don't like about Nim, that would have been easy to ask directly; I find the syntax of: echo("Hello world!") To be outdated and ugly. I also find the case statement to be awful to read the way they've done it, I far prefer the set of cases to be indented from the case statement itself. And the "of" on each line is redundant cruft. This is a brand new language and it holds on to what to my eyes is the worst cruft of old languages.

dom96 12y ago
> As far as more details of what I don't like about Nim, that would have been easy to ask directly; I find the syntax of: > echo("Hello world!") Would you prefer System.out.println("Hello world!"); instead? > I far prefer the set of cases to be indented from the case statement itself. You can in fact do that, it is however optional. > And the "in" on each line is redundant cruft. Not sure what you mean here. "in" is only used in for loops.
- ebbv 12y ago
  > Would you prefer System.out.println("Hello world!"); instead? This is why I didn't get into details originally because I knew I would get this kind of response. You know full well that's exactly the opposite of what I mean. You're being an asshole for no reason. > Not sure what you mean here. "in" is only used in for loops. I meant the "of"s, of course.
  - dom96 12y ago
    > You know full well that's exactly the opposite of what I mean. You're being an asshole for no reason. I apologise if I came out sounding like an asshole, but I honestly am not sure what syntax you would prefer. Any chance you could show me?
  - bluecalm 12y ago
    It's really not easy to guess what you meant as you can see from number of people who responded to your comment with their guesses. Maybe you don't a function call or maybe like semi-colons or you don't like double quotes for a string...
  - bronson 12y ago
    Downvoted because you've been asked for examples 3 times now and you only rant further in response. How is anybody else supposed to know what you mean? Guess correctly? Would you rather puts instead of echo?
andybak 12y ago
> echo("Hello world!") I'm struggling to think how different it could be. Remove the parens? print instead of echo? It's a fairly minor point. I'm fairly very sensitive on issues of visual clutter in syntax and this doesn't bother me in the slightest. > I far prefer the set of cases to be indented from the case statement itself. As mentioned elsewhere this is optional but I do agree > And the "of" on each line is redundant cruft. I suspect there might be a good reason for needing a keyword here. I would have to dig deeper to be sure though. Anyway - I can tolerate both of those. Any language with significant white-space and no curly-brackets is off to a good start aesthetically in my books. Skimming through the tutorial shows remarkably few horrors even when doing some moderately advanced stuff e.g. http://nim-lang.org/tut2.html#generics http://nim-lang.org/tut2.html#generics
- bluecalm 12y ago
  The case thing appeared in some coding guidelines for difference languages (ex: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle). I guess experienced people who wrote a lot of code didn't like to waste indentation level. I do indent case's myself but I think not indenting them is not something to easily dismiss.
gokr 12y ago
Wow, I just have to reply! Which one of these do you prefer: echo("Hello") echo "Hello" "Hello".echo "Hello".echo() Or something different?
- avz 12y ago
  This: cout << "Hello"; beats all of the above by a wide margin. It's essentially an ASCII-art ideographic representation of what the computer is supposed to do.
  - dom96 12y ago
    proc `<<`(f: File, s: string) = f.write(s) stdout << "Hello World" There you go :)
- bluecalm 12y ago
  Yeah, it's truly is fascinating. Maybe echo "Hello" Is the way ? :)
  - EXetoC 12y ago
    I'd say so. Maybe even echo"Hello" if you're in a hurry; it's just that it's then treated a raw string :p
- def- 12y ago
  The nice thing is that all 4 are valid Nim.

by ebbv 12y ago

dom96 12y ago

> As far as more details of what I don't like about Nim, that would have been easy to ask directly; I find the syntax of: > echo("Hello world!") Would you prefer System.out.println("Hello world!"); instead? > I far prefer the set of cases to be indented from the case statement itself. You can in fact do that, it is however optional. > And the "in" on each line is redundant cruft. Not sure what you mean here. "in" is only used in for loops.

ebbv 12y ago
> Would you prefer System.out.println("Hello world!"); instead? This is why I didn't get into details originally because I knew I would get this kind of response. You know full well that's exactly the opposite of what I mean. You're being an asshole for no reason. > Not sure what you mean here. "in" is only used in for loops. I meant the "of"s, of course.
- dom96 12y ago
  > You know full well that's exactly the opposite of what I mean. You're being an asshole for no reason. I apologise if I came out sounding like an asshole, but I honestly am not sure what syntax you would prefer. Any chance you could show me?
- bluecalm 12y ago
  It's really not easy to guess what you meant as you can see from number of people who responded to your comment with their guesses. Maybe you don't a function call or maybe like semi-colons or you don't like double quotes for a string...
- bronson 12y ago
  Downvoted because you've been asked for examples 3 times now and you only rant further in response. How is anybody else supposed to know what you mean? Guess correctly? Would you rather puts instead of echo?

andybak 12y ago

> echo("Hello world!") I'm struggling to think how different it could be. Remove the parens? print instead of echo? It's a fairly minor point. I'm fairly very sensitive on issues of visual clutter in syntax and this doesn't bother me in the slightest. > I far prefer the set of cases to be indented from the case statement itself. As mentioned elsewhere this is optional but I do agree > And the "of" on each line is redundant cruft. I suspect there might be a good reason for needing a keyword here. I would have to dig deeper to be sure though. Anyway - I can tolerate both of those. Any language with significant white-space and no curly-brackets is off to a good start aesthetically in my books. Skimming through the tutorial shows remarkably few horrors even when doing some moderately advanced stuff e.g. http://nim-lang.org/tut2.html#generics http://nim-lang.org/tut2.html#generics

bluecalm 12y ago
The case thing appeared in some coding guidelines for difference languages (ex: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/CodingStyle). I guess experienced people who wrote a lot of code didn't like to waste indentation level. I do indent case's myself but I think not indenting them is not something to easily dismiss.

gokr 12y ago

Wow, I just have to reply! Which one of these do you prefer: echo("Hello") echo "Hello" "Hello".echo "Hello".echo() Or something different?

avz 12y ago
This: cout << "Hello"; beats all of the above by a wide margin. It's essentially an ASCII-art ideographic representation of what the computer is supposed to do.
- dom96 12y ago
  proc `<<`(f: File, s: string) = f.write(s) stdout << "Hello World" There you go :)
bluecalm 12y ago
Yeah, it's truly is fascinating. Maybe echo "Hello" Is the way ? :)
- EXetoC 12y ago
  I'd say so. Maybe even echo"Hello" if you're in a hurry; it's just that it's then treated a raw string :p
def- 12y ago
The nice thing is that all 4 are valid Nim.