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I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waki

by city41 12y ago

I'm at my wits end with Yosemite. I'm very seriously considering switching to Linux or Windows. Of the numerous problems this OS has, my biggest problem is waking my rMBP from sleep. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't wake up and requires a hard shutdown. I never had that problem with Mountain Lion or Mavericks.

rajeevk 12y ago
Same with me. Before upgrading I always used to close the lid to make my macbook to sleep. The wake-up experience was good. But after upgrading, after waking up the system becomes too slow to use. I have to restart. So stopped putting my mac book pro to sleep. Now I always have to shut down when not using. Apart from sleep-wakeup problem, in general this has become much slower compared to mavericks Probably this could be related to hardware config. I have a mac book pro at work with 8GB ram and it works fine. My personal mac book pro has 4GB ram and it has problem.
- mullingitover 12y ago
  That's no problem, just upgrade your ram! Oh wait...
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    You can upgrade the RAM on the MacBook Pro Source: using 16GB here
    - lwh 12y ago
      Many recent models are non-upgradeable
    - mullingitover 12y ago
      None of the rMBPs, nor the minis have upgradeable ram. If I had to put money on it I'd bet a dollar the next-gen iMacs will be in the same boat. Just too hard to pass up that 400% markup.
      - raverbashing 12y ago
        Yeah, this is ridiculous. Especially when the default RAM they sell with is usually too small.
sandGorgon 12y ago
Please do try Gnome 3.14 - Right now, it is only part of Fedora 21. But I think you will love it. Do give it a shot.
- eeZi 12y ago
  Arch Linux too.
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - humpt 12y ago
    it's a desktop environment, it can be part of any distro you want, especially when an upgrade hits the decimals
    - arianvanp 12y ago
      Sure. But for now only Fedora 21 and ArchLinux actually release this in their official package repository because they're both very upstreamy Linux distros. You won't be able to install this without fiddling with PPAs in Debian or Ubuntu.
      - keithpeter 12y ago
        Gnome 3.14 appears to be the default desktop environment in Debian Unstable. Unstable is subject to change and occasionally things stop working for a bit but many people find it acceptable for non-critical use.
- DanBC 12y ago
  Gnome software has switched to an infuriating naming scheme. The file manager (gnautilus) is now called "files". The video player (totem) is now called "videos". This is so obviously broken for people who are trying to web-search for answers to problems that they're having. Whats worse os that the renaming is inconsistent - software will get one name in the menu, another name in the help > about, and another name on the Internet. Gnome - and I say this as politely as I can - makes me fucking hate using a computer.
EGreg 12y ago
Remember iOS 7? Same thing. Who was the joker who kept insisting that iOS 7 was really better and very few complained? I warned about this, post-Jobs Apple design and attention to detail.
- coldtea 12y ago
  >Who was the joker who kept insisting that iOS 7 was really better and very few complained? The majority of the population?
  - EGreg 12y ago
    Just like you'll deny that people are complaining about Yosemite
    - sbuk 12y ago
      Just some very vocal individuals on a niche website, and some trolls. My own experience of Yosemite has been the polar opposite of many here; better stability, faster, longer battery life etc. All on a 2011 MacBook Air. I never had any kind of issue with iOS 7 either. The odd reset over the last year on my iPhone 5, but the significant majority of the time (99% at least) it worked and it worked well. Sorry to rock your world view, but have you at least posited that these people vociferously complaining are not representative of the whole? Ditto iOS? I know you will chalk me up as another "fanboy"...
  - Silhouette 12y ago
    Obviously any one person's experience is only anecdotal, but I'm still waiting to discover that anyone I know in real life actually likes iOS since v7. However, I seem to know plenty of people who wish they hadn't upgraded, or even who returned a new iPad with a recent iOS because they thought they were getting what they'd seen before (iOS 5/6 generation tablets that friends/family had) and hated the new one so much. Personally, we're still pre-v7 on our iPad here, after reading way too many reviews about severe performance drops on this device after the "upgrade" and learning that there is no way to go back once you've done it. We literally ignore any updates for the system from Apple and just carry on happily enjoying the product as we bought it, making us almost uniquely satisfied among iPad purchasers we know.
raverbashing 12y ago
Did you try a PROM reset? (I think that's how it's called)
- jbrooksuk 12y ago
  Isn't it PRAM? Or is that a different thing?
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    Ah that's it http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14222?viewlocale=en_US http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14222?viewlocale=en_US
- rotten 12y ago
  I tried it on a Mac Mini. It didn't help. Yosemite performance is abysmal. I really regret upgrading.
w1ntermute 12y ago
I recommend running Linux (any stable distro) with Xfce. It's worked/looked exactly the same for years[0], and there won't be any sudden/unpleasant changes in the future either. 0: http://xfce.org/about/screenshots http://xfce.org/about/screenshots
- blkhp19 12y ago
  While I'm (we're) critical of the regressions when it comes to UI performance, switching to linux means giving up an entire ecosystem of apps, completely changing workflows, and in some cases depending on the kind of development that one does, making our jobs impossible.
  - toyg 12y ago
    That's ironic, considering the major wave of OSX adoption was due to linux-oriented developers who found it easier to keep working with their linux ecosystem on OSX than on Windows.
    - pilsetnieks 12y ago
      Not major, just vocal in these circles.
  - joelthelion 12y ago
    That's why for me Linux is the only sensible choice of platforms. All the other platforms means giving complete control over my tools to a single company.
    - vivab0rg 12y ago
      So much this. I've settled on elementaryOS 0.2 (based off Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) for all my development, staging, and production environments, being netbook, notebook, All-in-One desktop, Mac mini and all my VPS servers. Software package consistency is a invaluable, and you don't even have to give up on the looks: https://github.com/vivaserver/MoonLion https://github.com/vivaserver/MoonLion
rdsubhas 12y ago
Go to "System Preferences - Accessibility" and enable "Differentiate without Color" and "Reduce Transparency". Made a world of a difference to me, and I no longer think about Mountain Lion.
- doomlaser 12y ago
  Even "Reduce Transparency" has a nice big graphical glitch: https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/538539277978972160 https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/538539277978972160 Yosemite breaks rounded rect corners in UI overlays, like the ones triggered by volume and brightness changes. The masking is broken when the translucent blur shaders aren't applied. You'd think that'd something they would easily catch in QA before 10.10 shipped, but it's still broken even in 10.10.1.
  - OxO4 12y ago
    In OS X 10.10.2 (14C81h), this does not seem to be a problem anymore.
    - 0942v8653 12y ago
      Finally! I was sure they would never fix it. I'm actually considering downloading the beta now. Any other improvements?
superuser2 12y ago
Linux is unlikely to be better at power management than OSX, sad as that is.
- humpt 12y ago
  not only it's unlikely, it's true. I've changed distro many times over the years and always noticed the poor power management
MarcScott 12y ago
Yosemite was just the push I needed to switch to Linux. I shoved Ubuntu server on my MBP with the i3 windows manager and have never been happier.
- carlosrg 12y ago
  Same here. I installed Fedora 21 and dwm as the window manager. I didn't know this computer could be this fast (2010 MacBook Air). The bad thing is the battery duration, which is significantly worse than Mavericks (but approximately the same as Yosemite... I got around 5-6 hours of battery life with Mavericks, 3-4 hours with Yosemite and Linux). I still remember when people were impressed by the speed and smoothness of the UI with Tiger or Snow Leopard on my first Mac, a white MacBook. Good times. Now we have faster computers, SSDs instead of hard disks, but slower interfaces.
  - keithpeter 12y ago
    I imagine Powertop is installed and that you have the cpufrequtils installed and set up. What areas does powertop highlight as taking a lot of power/triggering cpu higher states?
    - carlosrg 12y ago
      I didn't even know about Powertop! I was a GNU/Linux user before switching to the Mac but a lot has changed since then... I'll investigate, thanks!
  - tracker1 12y ago
    My (March 2011) MBP with an SSD booted Snow Leopard in about 7-8 seconds from the bong sound to the complete desktop... My current (September 2014) MBP takes so much longer (just under Mavericks, haven't gone to Yosemite yet)... I find this disappointing.. not being able to upgrade the ram doubly so. This will probably be my last mac hardware purchase... I like the screen and the touchpad so much better than any other laptop, but don't really use it that much, and even then I could have gotten something with similar hardware for half the price... I've thought about installing Ubuntu on it, but haven't taken the plunge just yet... I spend almost 2/3 of my time on my laptop in either a windows or linux vm, so it's kind of a wash.
caycep 12y ago
Had this happen once, apparently fixed with zapping NVRAM/PRAM. Never happened again...
jdhawk 12y ago
Why not downgrade to Mountain Lion? Security updates?
- mcintyre1994 12y ago
  Just to check, do Apple only provide security updates to the newest OS X?
  - chrisdroukas 12y ago
    No. Apple provides security updates for several versions. They most recently patched NTP for Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite at the same time. http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222 http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222
  - calciphus 12y ago
    Apple provides security updates back somewhere between 36 and 44 months for the OS. Unfortunately, you won't know until they announce some exploit and don't patch your OS if you've been left behind or not.
- calciphus 12y ago
  My office recently started using Keynote for a lot of our presentations. Keynote presentations created on the version that is compatible with Yosemite (and nothing prior) cannot be opened on earlier versions. Even if security updates still come for what...usually 20-30 months with Apple...they still don't care about any other kind of backward compatibility and happily break their own file formats at will.
sr3d 12y ago
I had this issue too with non-waking up from sleep. Somehow the problem dissapeared after I upgraded the HDD to SSD. Now everything is working fine. Nonetheless, I'm still on Mavericks, no Yosemite upgrade yet. Just a potential solution to your sleep problem.

by city41 12y ago

rajeevk 12y ago

Same with me. Before upgrading I always used to close the lid to make my macbook to sleep. The wake-up experience was good. But after upgrading, after waking up the system becomes too slow to use. I have to restart. So stopped putting my mac book pro to sleep. Now I always have to shut down when not using. Apart from sleep-wakeup problem, in general this has become much slower compared to mavericks Probably this could be related to hardware config. I have a mac book pro at work with 8GB ram and it works fine. My personal mac book pro has 4GB ram and it has problem.

mullingitover 12y ago
That's no problem, just upgrade your ram! Oh wait...
- raverbashing 12y ago
  You can upgrade the RAM on the MacBook Pro Source: using 16GB here
  - lwh 12y ago
    Many recent models are non-upgradeable
  - mullingitover 12y ago
    None of the rMBPs, nor the minis have upgradeable ram. If I had to put money on it I'd bet a dollar the next-gen iMacs will be in the same boat. Just too hard to pass up that 400% markup.
    - raverbashing 12y ago
      Yeah, this is ridiculous. Especially when the default RAM they sell with is usually too small.

sandGorgon 12y ago

Please do try Gnome 3.14 - Right now, it is only part of Fedora 21. But I think you will love it. Do give it a shot.

eeZi 12y ago
Arch Linux too.
- deleted 12y ago
  [deleted]
- humpt 12y ago
  it's a desktop environment, it can be part of any distro you want, especially when an upgrade hits the decimals
  - arianvanp 12y ago
    Sure. But for now only Fedora 21 and ArchLinux actually release this in their official package repository because they're both very upstreamy Linux distros. You won't be able to install this without fiddling with PPAs in Debian or Ubuntu.
    - keithpeter 12y ago
      Gnome 3.14 appears to be the default desktop environment in Debian Unstable. Unstable is subject to change and occasionally things stop working for a bit but many people find it acceptable for non-critical use.
DanBC 12y ago
Gnome software has switched to an infuriating naming scheme. The file manager (gnautilus) is now called "files". The video player (totem) is now called "videos". This is so obviously broken for people who are trying to web-search for answers to problems that they're having. Whats worse os that the renaming is inconsistent - software will get one name in the menu, another name in the help > about, and another name on the Internet. Gnome - and I say this as politely as I can - makes me fucking hate using a computer.

EGreg 12y ago

Remember iOS 7? Same thing. Who was the joker who kept insisting that iOS 7 was really better and very few complained? I warned about this, post-Jobs Apple design and attention to detail.

coldtea 12y ago
>Who was the joker who kept insisting that iOS 7 was really better and very few complained? The majority of the population?
- EGreg 12y ago
  Just like you'll deny that people are complaining about Yosemite
  - sbuk 12y ago
    Just some very vocal individuals on a niche website, and some trolls. My own experience of Yosemite has been the polar opposite of many here; better stability, faster, longer battery life etc. All on a 2011 MacBook Air. I never had any kind of issue with iOS 7 either. The odd reset over the last year on my iPhone 5, but the significant majority of the time (99% at least) it worked and it worked well. Sorry to rock your world view, but have you at least posited that these people vociferously complaining are not representative of the whole? Ditto iOS? I know you will chalk me up as another "fanboy"...
- Silhouette 12y ago
  Obviously any one person's experience is only anecdotal, but I'm still waiting to discover that anyone I know in real life actually likes iOS since v7. However, I seem to know plenty of people who wish they hadn't upgraded, or even who returned a new iPad with a recent iOS because they thought they were getting what they'd seen before (iOS 5/6 generation tablets that friends/family had) and hated the new one so much. Personally, we're still pre-v7 on our iPad here, after reading way too many reviews about severe performance drops on this device after the "upgrade" and learning that there is no way to go back once you've done it. We literally ignore any updates for the system from Apple and just carry on happily enjoying the product as we bought it, making us almost uniquely satisfied among iPad purchasers we know.

raverbashing 12y ago

Did you try a PROM reset? (I think that's how it's called)

jbrooksuk 12y ago
Isn't it PRAM? Or is that a different thing?
- raverbashing 12y ago
  Ah that's it http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14222?viewlocale=en_US http://support.apple.com/kb/PH14222?viewlocale=en_US
rotten 12y ago
I tried it on a Mac Mini. It didn't help. Yosemite performance is abysmal. I really regret upgrading.

w1ntermute 12y ago

I recommend running Linux (any stable distro) with Xfce. It's worked/looked exactly the same for years[0], and there won't be any sudden/unpleasant changes in the future either. 0: http://xfce.org/about/screenshots http://xfce.org/about/screenshots

blkhp19 12y ago
While I'm (we're) critical of the regressions when it comes to UI performance, switching to linux means giving up an entire ecosystem of apps, completely changing workflows, and in some cases depending on the kind of development that one does, making our jobs impossible.
- toyg 12y ago
  That's ironic, considering the major wave of OSX adoption was due to linux-oriented developers who found it easier to keep working with their linux ecosystem on OSX than on Windows.
  - pilsetnieks 12y ago
    Not major, just vocal in these circles.
- joelthelion 12y ago
  That's why for me Linux is the only sensible choice of platforms. All the other platforms means giving complete control over my tools to a single company.
  - vivab0rg 12y ago
    So much this. I've settled on elementaryOS 0.2 (based off Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) for all my development, staging, and production environments, being netbook, notebook, All-in-One desktop, Mac mini and all my VPS servers. Software package consistency is a invaluable, and you don't even have to give up on the looks: https://github.com/vivaserver/MoonLion https://github.com/vivaserver/MoonLion

rdsubhas 12y ago

Go to "System Preferences - Accessibility" and enable "Differentiate without Color" and "Reduce Transparency". Made a world of a difference to me, and I no longer think about Mountain Lion.

doomlaser 12y ago
Even "Reduce Transparency" has a nice big graphical glitch: https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/538539277978972160 https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/538539277978972160 Yosemite breaks rounded rect corners in UI overlays, like the ones triggered by volume and brightness changes. The masking is broken when the translucent blur shaders aren't applied. You'd think that'd something they would easily catch in QA before 10.10 shipped, but it's still broken even in 10.10.1.
- OxO4 12y ago
  In OS X 10.10.2 (14C81h), this does not seem to be a problem anymore.
  - 0942v8653 12y ago
    Finally! I was sure they would never fix it. I'm actually considering downloading the beta now. Any other improvements?

superuser2 12y ago

Linux is unlikely to be better at power management than OSX, sad as that is.

humpt 12y ago
not only it's unlikely, it's true. I've changed distro many times over the years and always noticed the poor power management

MarcScott 12y ago

Yosemite was just the push I needed to switch to Linux. I shoved Ubuntu server on my MBP with the i3 windows manager and have never been happier.

carlosrg 12y ago
Same here. I installed Fedora 21 and dwm as the window manager. I didn't know this computer could be this fast (2010 MacBook Air). The bad thing is the battery duration, which is significantly worse than Mavericks (but approximately the same as Yosemite... I got around 5-6 hours of battery life with Mavericks, 3-4 hours with Yosemite and Linux). I still remember when people were impressed by the speed and smoothness of the UI with Tiger or Snow Leopard on my first Mac, a white MacBook. Good times. Now we have faster computers, SSDs instead of hard disks, but slower interfaces.
- keithpeter 12y ago
  I imagine Powertop is installed and that you have the cpufrequtils installed and set up. What areas does powertop highlight as taking a lot of power/triggering cpu higher states?
  - carlosrg 12y ago
    I didn't even know about Powertop! I was a GNU/Linux user before switching to the Mac but a lot has changed since then... I'll investigate, thanks!
- tracker1 12y ago
  My (March 2011) MBP with an SSD booted Snow Leopard in about 7-8 seconds from the bong sound to the complete desktop... My current (September 2014) MBP takes so much longer (just under Mavericks, haven't gone to Yosemite yet)... I find this disappointing.. not being able to upgrade the ram doubly so. This will probably be my last mac hardware purchase... I like the screen and the touchpad so much better than any other laptop, but don't really use it that much, and even then I could have gotten something with similar hardware for half the price... I've thought about installing Ubuntu on it, but haven't taken the plunge just yet... I spend almost 2/3 of my time on my laptop in either a windows or linux vm, so it's kind of a wash.

caycep 12y ago

Had this happen once, apparently fixed with zapping NVRAM/PRAM. Never happened again...

jdhawk 12y ago

Why not downgrade to Mountain Lion? Security updates?

mcintyre1994 12y ago
Just to check, do Apple only provide security updates to the newest OS X?
- chrisdroukas 12y ago
  No. Apple provides security updates for several versions. They most recently patched NTP for Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite at the same time. http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222 http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1222
- calciphus 12y ago
  Apple provides security updates back somewhere between 36 and 44 months for the OS. Unfortunately, you won't know until they announce some exploit and don't patch your OS if you've been left behind or not.
calciphus 12y ago
My office recently started using Keynote for a lot of our presentations. Keynote presentations created on the version that is compatible with Yosemite (and nothing prior) cannot be opened on earlier versions. Even if security updates still come for what...usually 20-30 months with Apple...they still don't care about any other kind of backward compatibility and happily break their own file formats at will.

sr3d 12y ago

I had this issue too with non-waking up from sleep. Somehow the problem dissapeared after I upgraded the HDD to SSD. Now everything is working fine. Nonetheless, I'm still on Mavericks, no Yosemite upgrade yet. Just a potential solution to your sleep problem.