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OK, granted they may want to monitor the plant remotely. Then they could have a plant-connected machine dump UDP monitoring packets to an Internet-connected mac

by ArchD 12y ago

OK, granted they may want to monitor the plant remotely. Then they could have a plant-connected machine dump UDP monitoring packets to an Internet-connected machine, and have the plant-connected machine block all incoming packets from the Internet-connected machine.

gear54rus 12y ago
It seems that there are many ways this could be done right (and does not seem a particularly hard challenge), it's just that people in charge probably were pretty much inept at that task. You know how it is, no one cared about it until it happened. It just wasn't a priority.
- spacecowboy_lon 12y ago
  I get the impression from dealing with german companies that they tend to be very good at traditional "engineering" but when it comes to it/computers they are 10 or 15 years behind. I also think that in germany its considred that the good engineers and asociate profesionalas want go and work for firms like Audi.
  - fidotron 12y ago
    It's not just Germans. Anyone that isn't primarily in software has this phenomenon. Mobile phone makers, for example, are a disaster, and it's only having a whip wielded by a software company with some power over them that prevents it becoming a complete train wreck. In my experience the most dangerous are engineers in other domains that learned just enough programming to get the job done but can't understand the giant holes they've created and not run into.
    - spacecowboy_lon 12y ago
      Testify (Brother or Sister) having worked for a big telco we regarded the mobile side as grade inflated "amatuers" I still recall one of my colegues (working on the core IP network) being amused that one UK mobile provider was still using NT4 in their core network. Ill be nice and not write what we thought about the US cariers
spacecowboy_lon 12y ago
Well use private curcuits or go old school use modems with dialback ie you call the modem it disconects and calls you back on a hard coded number

by ArchD 12y ago

gear54rus 12y ago

It seems that there are many ways this could be done right (and does not seem a particularly hard challenge), it's just that people in charge probably were pretty much inept at that task. You know how it is, no one cared about it until it happened. It just wasn't a priority.

spacecowboy_lon 12y ago
I get the impression from dealing with german companies that they tend to be very good at traditional "engineering" but when it comes to it/computers they are 10 or 15 years behind. I also think that in germany its considred that the good engineers and asociate profesionalas want go and work for firms like Audi.
- fidotron 12y ago
  It's not just Germans. Anyone that isn't primarily in software has this phenomenon. Mobile phone makers, for example, are a disaster, and it's only having a whip wielded by a software company with some power over them that prevents it becoming a complete train wreck. In my experience the most dangerous are engineers in other domains that learned just enough programming to get the job done but can't understand the giant holes they've created and not run into.
  - spacecowboy_lon 12y ago
    Testify (Brother or Sister) having worked for a big telco we regarded the mobile side as grade inflated "amatuers" I still recall one of my colegues (working on the core IP network) being amused that one UK mobile provider was still using NT4 in their core network. Ill be nice and not write what we thought about the US cariers

spacecowboy_lon 12y ago

Well use private curcuits or go old school use modems with dialback ie you call the modem it disconects and calls you back on a hard coded number