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While that all seems possible, it's all speculation. We talk about how this doesn't quite all add up, but at least there is some evidence/basis for thinking it

by efuquen 12y ago

While that all seems possible, it's all speculation. We talk about how this doesn't quite all add up, but at least there is some evidence/basis for thinking it was NK. Where exactly is all the evidence for any of the things you listed above? Otherwise, at this point it's all just a conspiracy theory, one if it was even remotely true would be a high risk deception to pull off for both the government and Sony.

crdoconnor 12y ago
>Otherwise, at this point it's all just a conspiracy theory You do realize that the "North Korea did it" story is also a conspiracy theory? >one if it was even remotely true would be a high risk deception to pull off for both the government and Sony. There's a veritable laundry list of times both have lied about more important issues than this and gotten away with it.
- adventured 12y ago
  The FBI said North Korea did it. Doesn't that automatically remove it from the conspiracy theory category? I don't know what more authoritative source we can go to to decide what is or isn't officially in the running for explanations. If we say that the FBI's position is part of the conspiracy, well then good luck ever leaving the conspiracy theory bin. You'll likely never get tangible information from another credible source. It'll just be a never-ending conspiracy theory.
  - a3n 12y ago
    > authoritative source There was a time when I would assume good faith for most FBI/federal law enforcement statements. After Clapper and Snowden, that day has passed. I'll still believe an FBI statement with evidence. But without evidence it's just words, and very possibly with an agenda that's hostile to my Constitutional rights.
  - crdoconnor 12y ago
    >The FBI said North Korea did it. Doesn't that automatically remove it from the conspiracy theory category? Any theory about how it was done is automatically a conspiracy theory because it WAS a conspiracy. Using it as a pejorative in this context is stupid. >I don't know what more authoritative source we can go to to decide Most of the OPSEC community - who don't have a motive to lie to get more goodies out of Congress and whose story actually adds up. My point was that if you examine the motives of all the parties involved, the FBI's story stinks as much as the CIA's did when they started screaming yellowcake. They have every reason to lie and the North Koreans have no reason to lie.

by efuquen 12y ago

crdoconnor 12y ago

>Otherwise, at this point it's all just a conspiracy theory You do realize that the "North Korea did it" story is also a conspiracy theory? >one if it was even remotely true would be a high risk deception to pull off for both the government and Sony. There's a veritable laundry list of times both have lied about more important issues than this and gotten away with it.

adventured 12y ago
The FBI said North Korea did it. Doesn't that automatically remove it from the conspiracy theory category? I don't know what more authoritative source we can go to to decide what is or isn't officially in the running for explanations. If we say that the FBI's position is part of the conspiracy, well then good luck ever leaving the conspiracy theory bin. You'll likely never get tangible information from another credible source. It'll just be a never-ending conspiracy theory.
- a3n 12y ago
  > authoritative source There was a time when I would assume good faith for most FBI/federal law enforcement statements. After Clapper and Snowden, that day has passed. I'll still believe an FBI statement with evidence. But without evidence it's just words, and very possibly with an agenda that's hostile to my Constitutional rights.
- crdoconnor 12y ago
  >The FBI said North Korea did it. Doesn't that automatically remove it from the conspiracy theory category? Any theory about how it was done is automatically a conspiracy theory because it WAS a conspiracy. Using it as a pejorative in this context is stupid. >I don't know what more authoritative source we can go to to decide Most of the OPSEC community - who don't have a motive to lie to get more goodies out of Congress and whose story actually adds up. My point was that if you examine the motives of all the parties involved, the FBI's story stinks as much as the CIA's did when they started screaming yellowcake. They have every reason to lie and the North Koreans have no reason to lie.