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That's interesting, I didn't know about these trusted authorities. Here are the IPs: $ curl -s https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/config.c

That's interesting, I didn't know about these trusted authorities. Here are the IPs: $ curl -s https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/config.c | grep -Eo "([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}:" config.c | sed 's/://' 128.31.0.39 86.59.21.38 194.109.206.212 82.94.251.203 131.188.40.189 193.23.244.244 208.83.223.34 171.25.193.9 154.35.32.5 199.254.238.52 I get the same country list as you: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/country | paste - ips | sort AT 86.59.21.38 DE 131.188.40.189 DE 193.23.244.244 NL 194.109.206.212 NL 82.94.251.203 SE 171.25.193.9 US 128.31.0.39 US 154.35.32.5 US 199.254.238.52 US 208.83.223.34 And here are the organizations they're associated with: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/org | paste ips - 128.31.0.39 AS3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 86.59.21.38 AS8437 Tele2 Telecommunication GmbH 194.109.206.212 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 82.94.251.203 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 131.188.40.189 AS680 Verein zur Foerderung eines Deutschen Forschungsnetzes e.V. 193.23.244.244 AS50472 Chaos Computer Club e.V. 208.83.223.34 AS40475 Applied Operations, LLC 171.25.193.9 AS198093 Foreningen for digitala fri- och rattigheter 154.35.32.5 AS14987 Rethem Hosting LLC 199.254.238.52 AS16652 Riseup Networks

stingraycharles 12y ago
(I'm from The Netherlands) For what it's worth, XS4ALL has a tremendous reputation when it comes to privacy in The Netherlands, being one of the first ISPs in NL, founded by true hackers. They were the first (and only one?) that started disclosing how many subpoenas they were receiving from the government, have fought a lot against blocking TPB in court, etc -- I'm not surprised at all they are the ones hosting the Tor servers (I am a customer, and am allowed to run an Exit node, and they are very supportive when they receive abuse complaints, their entire customer support staff knows about Tor). I would be surprised if they would easily cave to a government order / seizure of their servers.
- deleted 12y ago
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- mdewinter 12y ago
  Do note that XS4ALL is owned by KPN, which is a monolith like Comcast or Verizon. If the authorities come knocking hard enough, KPN will make sure it it shut down, or worde. XS4ALL is a good provider, I enjoy my IPv6 and fiber to home very much, service is good, they still provide a shell server which I use for IRC, I like them I do however have my doubts about KPN...
  - stingraycharles 12y ago
    Sad as it might be, I have to agree with you. Upon acquisition, KPN said it will let XS4ALL be as independent as possible, and as far as I can tell, they put their money where their mouth is (let them fight court battles, where KPN (the ISP) does not), but if there is little legal room for XS4ALL to move in, KPN will make sure XS4ALL complies. On the other hand, XS4ALL is always looking for the boundaries of privacy and free speech -- if there is no more (legal) room left, and as such have reached the boundary, I have no doubt they would comply. But they probably make a big stunt out of it again, using it as a marketing opportunity, which KPN, of course, will have no problems with. As long as they comply with the law.
kevin_thibedeau 12y ago
MIT runs Lincoln Lab which is a think tank / R&D facility for the military. You have to pass through an armed checkpoint to get to the the complex located on an AF base. I would consider that node compromised already.
- hdevalence 12y ago
  I'm confused. Are you saying that the MIT Tor node is at Lincoln Lab, or are you suggesting that anything MIT-affiliated is tainted because of LL?
- lambda 12y ago
  You realize that Tor came out of the US Naval Research Laboratory, right? https://www.torproject.org/about/overview https://www.torproject.org/about/overview
  - sneak 12y ago
    It's also open source. Can we stop with this fucking red herring already? He's talking about a service, right now, under the direct control of the US military. You're talking about grant funding for an open source tool. Stop.
    - thefreeman 12y ago
      No, he's not. He's talking about a single research laboratory MIT runs on a military base. Which somehow makes the entire university under direct control of the military?
- nl 12y ago
  Note that 'the military' and 'a hypothetical government agency opposed to Tor' are not necessarily the same thing. Counterintuitively sometimes the best protection is to operate under another agency. That makes moving against Tor a battle of internal politics rather than a legal battle. 'The government' rarely has uniform views on something as complex as Tor.
- SolarNet 12y ago

stingraycharles 12y ago

(I'm from The Netherlands) For what it's worth, XS4ALL has a tremendous reputation when it comes to privacy in The Netherlands, being one of the first ISPs in NL, founded by true hackers. They were the first (and only one?) that started disclosing how many subpoenas they were receiving from the government, have fought a lot against blocking TPB in court, etc -- I'm not surprised at all they are the ones hosting the Tor servers (I am a customer, and am allowed to run an Exit node, and they are very supportive when they receive abuse complaints, their entire customer support staff knows about Tor). I would be surprised if they would easily cave to a government order / seizure of their servers.

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mdewinter 12y ago
Do note that XS4ALL is owned by KPN, which is a monolith like Comcast or Verizon. If the authorities come knocking hard enough, KPN will make sure it it shut down, or worde. XS4ALL is a good provider, I enjoy my IPv6 and fiber to home very much, service is good, they still provide a shell server which I use for IRC, I like them I do however have my doubts about KPN...
- stingraycharles 12y ago
  Sad as it might be, I have to agree with you. Upon acquisition, KPN said it will let XS4ALL be as independent as possible, and as far as I can tell, they put their money where their mouth is (let them fight court battles, where KPN (the ISP) does not), but if there is little legal room for XS4ALL to move in, KPN will make sure XS4ALL complies. On the other hand, XS4ALL is always looking for the boundaries of privacy and free speech -- if there is no more (legal) room left, and as such have reached the boundary, I have no doubt they would comply. But they probably make a big stunt out of it again, using it as a marketing opportunity, which KPN, of course, will have no problems with. As long as they comply with the law.

kevin_thibedeau 12y ago

MIT runs Lincoln Lab which is a think tank / R&D facility for the military. You have to pass through an armed checkpoint to get to the the complex located on an AF base. I would consider that node compromised already.

hdevalence 12y ago
I'm confused. Are you saying that the MIT Tor node is at Lincoln Lab, or are you suggesting that anything MIT-affiliated is tainted because of LL?
lambda 12y ago
You realize that Tor came out of the US Naval Research Laboratory, right? https://www.torproject.org/about/overview https://www.torproject.org/about/overview
- sneak 12y ago
  It's also open source. Can we stop with this fucking red herring already? He's talking about a service, right now, under the direct control of the US military. You're talking about grant funding for an open source tool. Stop.
  - thefreeman 12y ago
    No, he's not. He's talking about a single research laboratory MIT runs on a military base. Which somehow makes the entire university under direct control of the military?
nl 12y ago
Note that 'the military' and 'a hypothetical government agency opposed to Tor' are not necessarily the same thing. Counterintuitively sometimes the best protection is to operate under another agency. That makes moving against Tor a battle of internal politics rather than a legal battle. 'The government' rarely has uniform views on something as complex as Tor.
SolarNet 12y ago