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(Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Tor, I'm just poking around their source code. My conclusions may be totally wrong.) You can see the list of trusted dir

(Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Tor, I'm just poking around their source code. My conclusions may be totally wrong.) You can see the list of trusted directory authorities in Tor's src/or/config.c: https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/tree/src/or/config.c#n820 https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/tree/src/or/config.c#n... There are nine of them (actually ten, but one is just for bridges), so you'd have to disrupt at least five of them to prevent them forming a majority vote on consensus together. Looks like the countries that own the IP address allocations for each dirauth are: Austria, Germany, Germany, Holland, Holland, Sweden, US, US, US If the above is all correct, a US<->Germany collaboration - to pick the largest set from two countries - would be one way to cause a large problem.

bachback 12y ago
interesting - how does this work?
- cjbprime 12y ago
  Which part?
  - r109 12y ago
    yes.
higherpurpose 12y ago
Could the Tor Project sue against those seizures?
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- chippy 12y ago
  Would suing repair the damage? How long would it take? Could it actually be a criminal act?
coderholic 12y ago
That's interesting, I didn't know about these trusted authorities. Here are the IPs: $ curl -s https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/config.c | grep -Eo "([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}:" config.c | sed 's/://' 128.31.0.39 86.59.21.38 194.109.206.212 82.94.251.203 131.188.40.189 193.23.244.244 208.83.223.34 171.25.193.9 154.35.32.5 199.254.238.52 I get the same country list as you: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/country | paste - ips | sort AT 86.59.21.38 DE 131.188.40.189 DE 193.23.244.244 NL 194.109.206.212 NL 82.94.251.203 SE 171.25.193.9 US 128.31.0.39 US 154.35.32.5 US 199.254.238.52 US 208.83.223.34 And here are the organizations they're associated with: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/org | paste ips - 128.31.0.39 AS3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 86.59.21.38 AS8437 Tele2 Telecommunication GmbH 194.109.206.212 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 82.94.251.203 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 131.188.40.189 AS680 Verein zur Foerderung eines Deutschen Forschungsnetzes e.V. 193.23.244.244 AS50472 Chaos Computer Club e.V. 208.83.223.34 AS40475 Applied Operations, LLC 171.25.193.9 AS198093 Foreningen for digitala fri- och rattigheter 154.35.32.5 AS14987 Rethem Hosting LLC 199.254.238.52 AS16652 Riseup Networks
- stingraycharles 12y ago
  (I'm from The Netherlands) For what it's worth, XS4ALL has a tremendous reputation when it comes to privacy in The Netherlands, being one of the first ISPs in NL, founded by true hackers. They were the first (and only one?) that started disclosing how many subpoenas they were receiving from the government, have fought a lot against blocking TPB in court, etc -- I'm not surprised at all they are the ones hosting the Tor servers (I am a customer, and am allowed to run an Exit node, and they are very supportive when they receive abuse complaints, their entire customer support staff knows about Tor). I would be surprised if they would easily cave to a government order / seizure of their servers.
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bachback 12y ago

interesting - how does this work?

cjbprime 12y ago
Which part?
- r109 12y ago
  yes.

higherpurpose 12y ago

Could the Tor Project sue against those seizures?

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chippy 12y ago
Would suing repair the damage? How long would it take? Could it actually be a criminal act?

coderholic 12y ago

That's interesting, I didn't know about these trusted authorities. Here are the IPs: $ curl -s https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/plain/src/or/config.c | grep -Eo "([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}:" config.c | sed 's/://' 128.31.0.39 86.59.21.38 194.109.206.212 82.94.251.203 131.188.40.189 193.23.244.244 208.83.223.34 171.25.193.9 154.35.32.5 199.254.238.52 I get the same country list as you: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/country | paste - ips | sort AT 86.59.21.38 DE 131.188.40.189 DE 193.23.244.244 NL 194.109.206.212 NL 82.94.251.203 SE 171.25.193.9 US 128.31.0.39 US 154.35.32.5 US 199.254.238.52 US 208.83.223.34 And here are the organizations they're associated with: $ cat ips | xargs -I% curl -s http://ipinfo.io/%/org | paste ips - 128.31.0.39 AS3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 86.59.21.38 AS8437 Tele2 Telecommunication GmbH 194.109.206.212 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 82.94.251.203 AS3265 XS4ALL Internet BV 131.188.40.189 AS680 Verein zur Foerderung eines Deutschen Forschungsnetzes e.V. 193.23.244.244 AS50472 Chaos Computer Club e.V. 208.83.223.34 AS40475 Applied Operations, LLC 171.25.193.9 AS198093 Foreningen for digitala fri- och rattigheter 154.35.32.5 AS14987 Rethem Hosting LLC 199.254.238.52 AS16652 Riseup Networks

stingraycharles 12y ago
(I'm from The Netherlands) For what it's worth, XS4ALL has a tremendous reputation when it comes to privacy in The Netherlands, being one of the first ISPs in NL, founded by true hackers. They were the first (and only one?) that started disclosing how many subpoenas they were receiving from the government, have fought a lot against blocking TPB in court, etc -- I'm not surprised at all they are the ones hosting the Tor servers (I am a customer, and am allowed to run an Exit node, and they are very supportive when they receive abuse complaints, their entire customer support staff knows about Tor). I would be surprised if they would easily cave to a government order / seizure of their servers.
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- mdewinter 12y ago