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I'm confused. :) What does what I said have to do with Ayn Rand? I'm also curious about how Ayn Rand and Plato were thrown into the same group. I remember wel

I'm confused. :) What does what I said have to do with Ayn Rand? I'm also curious about how Ayn Rand and Plato were thrown into the same group. I remember well that Plato went on and on about his Utopia of the State controlling the lives of everyone, people going to college until they're 32 and so on. Those two are pretty much opposites. And Plato was a titan of human thought? He misunderstood everything Socrates was about and it took us Aristotle being born to somewhat set us back on track. Maybe whoever said that is really into geometry of solids. Anyone care to throw me a bone? What did I miss? Why did I make Ayn Rand roll in her grave?

nerfhammer 12y ago
Plato's utopia would be ruled by a philosopher-king, in contrast to the Athenian democracy in which he lived. This could be considered an example of the idea that "the smart aren't corruptible". I can't speak for the other poster but I imagine that Rand's heroes would not be corruptible, for example, refusing government subsidies on moral grounds or sacrificing their artistic vision for commercial reasons
- Terr_ 12y ago
  From what I remember of Atlas Shrugged, Rand only creates fantasy worlds where bad guys can be tempted. Good guys are simply never put into the situation, because whatever law or principle they might break has already been recast as intrinsically evil.
  - nerfhammer 12y ago
    > It was said that Nat Taggart had staked his life on his railroad many times; but once, he staked more than his life. Desperate for funds, with the construction of his line suspended, he threw down three flights of stairs a distinguished gentleman who offered him a loan from the government.
    - Terr_ 12y ago
      Exactly my point. Nat Taggart is being shown as incorruptible, within the standards of "corruption" that the author has placed into her Mary-Sue-Universe. He doesn't just say "no", he throws the guy down three flights of stairs!
      - phaus 12y ago
        >he throws the guy down three flights of stairs! And for some reason she seems to think that the attempted murder of a liberal is an honorable act.
        innguest 12y ago
        And for some reason liberals think that the attempted extortion of money from people within a certain radius of a certain situation is an honorable act.
atmosx 12y ago
I'd throw a bone, but you look like you'd need a herd of cows instead.

nerfhammer 12y ago

Plato's utopia would be ruled by a philosopher-king, in contrast to the Athenian democracy in which he lived. This could be considered an example of the idea that "the smart aren't corruptible". I can't speak for the other poster but I imagine that Rand's heroes would not be corruptible, for example, refusing government subsidies on moral grounds or sacrificing their artistic vision for commercial reasons

Terr_ 12y ago
From what I remember of Atlas Shrugged, Rand only creates fantasy worlds where bad guys can be tempted. Good guys are simply never put into the situation, because whatever law or principle they might break has already been recast as intrinsically evil.
- nerfhammer 12y ago
  > It was said that Nat Taggart had staked his life on his railroad many times; but once, he staked more than his life. Desperate for funds, with the construction of his line suspended, he threw down three flights of stairs a distinguished gentleman who offered him a loan from the government.
  - Terr_ 12y ago
    Exactly my point. Nat Taggart is being shown as incorruptible, within the standards of "corruption" that the author has placed into her Mary-Sue-Universe. He doesn't just say "no", he throws the guy down three flights of stairs!
    - phaus 12y ago
      >he throws the guy down three flights of stairs! And for some reason she seems to think that the attempted murder of a liberal is an honorable act.
      - innguest 12y ago
        And for some reason liberals think that the attempted extortion of money from people within a certain radius of a certain situation is an honorable act.

atmosx 12y ago

I'd throw a bone, but you look like you'd need a herd of cows instead.