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Politics will not get us out of this mess, but it sure is an easy ride if that's the limitations of your efforts.

EliRivers 12y ago
Given that effecting a change in government policy is what politics is, and that's the aim, what exactly would deal with this situation that isn't politics? You've got a snappy attitude, denigrating the idea of politics; do you have anything that isn't politics, or are you just a smug soundbite? I'm sure all the previous people who used politics to change things did indeed find it an easy ride. Martin King basically phoned in his efforts, didn't he? And I recall Pankhurst effected her changes with a single stern letter to the London Times.
lotsofmangos 12y ago
you tell me about politics this that you speak of rats. --- geese. a world of peace you stumble stammer pound your fist an’ i tell you there are no politics you swear tell me how much you care --- you cheat the lunch counter man out of a pack of cigarettes an’ i tell you there are no politics you tell me of goons’ graves. ginks an’ finks an’ of what you’ve read --- an’ how things should be an’ what you’d do if . . . an i say someone’s been tamperin’ with your head you jump raise your voice --- an’ gyrate yourself t’ the tone of principles your arm is raised an’ i tell you there are no politics in the afternoon you run t’ keep appointments --- with false lovers an’ this leaves you drained by nightfall you ask me questions an’ i say that every question if it’s a truthful question --- can be answered by askin’ it you stomp get mad i say it’s got nothin’ t’ do with gertrude stein you turn your eyes --- t’ the radio an’ tell me what a wasteland exists in television you rant an’ rave of poverty your fingers crawl the walls --- the screen door leaves black marks across your nose your breath remains on window glass bullfight posters hang crooked above your head an’ the phone rings constantly --- you tell me how much i’ve changed as if that is all there is t’ say out of the side of your mouth while talkin’ on the wires in a completely different tone of voice --- than you had a minute ago when speakin’ t’ me about something else i say what’s this about changes? you say "let’s go get drunk" light a cigarette "an’ throw up on the world" --- you go t’ your closet mumblin’ about the phoniness of churches an’ spastic national leaders i say groovy but also holy hollowness too yes hollow holiness --- an’ that some of my best friends know people that go t’ church you blow up slam doors say "can’t no one say nothin’ t’ you" i say "what do You think?" --- your face laughs you say "oh yeeeeeaah?" i’m gonna break up i say an’ reach for your coat ‘neath piles of paper slogans i say your house is dirty --- you say you should talk your hallway stinks as we walk through it your stairs tilt drastically your railing’s rotted an’ there’s blood at the --- bottom of your steps you say t’ meet bricks with bricks i say t’ meet bricks with chalk you tell me monster floor plans an’ i tell you about a bookie shop in boston givin’ odds on the presidential --- race i’m not gonna bet for a while i say little children shoot craps in the alley garbage pot you say "nothin’s perfect" --- an’ i tell you again there are no politics ---- Bob Dylan - some other kinds of songs.
mcv 12y ago
What other option is there? Revolution? If you can't get enough people together to vote the current crooks out of office, you certainly have no hope of staging a revolution. In the end, these people need to be prosecuted in order to lock them up. That means the DoJ needs to do its job, but in the corrupt system of the US, it also means that Congress needs to understand the gravity of the situation.
- patronagezero 12y ago
  Maybe people don't vote because they are disenchanted with the system they don't believe works as it was supposed to? Where the heck do you get off saying if people aren't capable of the desire to vote, a revolution isn't possible? Consider for a moment: you can vote for spam or canned tuna. Hilarious.
  - mcv 12y ago
    Do you think people are more likely to take up arms against the government than to vote? You're a fool if you do. How do you think you can stage a revolution with a minority of the population behind you, while the powers that be are as well-armed and as eager to use violence as they are in the US? You've got a better chance of voting both parties out of office with a minority vote, and fixing the broken system that people are so disenchanted with. Your mistake is that you believe that the options they're giving you are the only ones. You can make a third option. If you can get enough people behind you to stage a credible revolution, you can easily get enough people to vote for your third option. It's totally true that the US electoral system is broken and corrupt and doesn't do justice to the vote of the people, but it's not yet to the point that the vote doesn't matter at all. People do still need to vote, and alternatives to the two ruling parties are still legal. You can take advantage of that to stage a much more peaceful revolution through the ballot box.

Given that effecting a change in government policy is what politics is, and that's the aim, what exactly would deal with this situation that isn't politics? You've got a snappy attitude, denigrating the idea of politics; do you have anything that isn't politics, or are you just a smug soundbite? I'm sure all the previous people who used politics to change things did indeed find it an easy ride. Martin King basically phoned in his efforts, didn't he? And I recall Pankhurst effected her changes with a single stern letter to the London Times.

lotsofmangos 12y ago

you tell me about politics this that you speak of rats. --- geese. a world of peace you stumble stammer pound your fist an’ i tell you there are no politics you swear tell me how much you care --- you cheat the lunch counter man out of a pack of cigarettes an’ i tell you there are no politics you tell me of goons’ graves. ginks an’ finks an’ of what you’ve read --- an’ how things should be an’ what you’d do if . . . an i say someone’s been tamperin’ with your head you jump raise your voice --- an’ gyrate yourself t’ the tone of principles your arm is raised an’ i tell you there are no politics in the afternoon you run t’ keep appointments --- with false lovers an’ this leaves you drained by nightfall you ask me questions an’ i say that every question if it’s a truthful question --- can be answered by askin’ it you stomp get mad i say it’s got nothin’ t’ do with gertrude stein you turn your eyes --- t’ the radio an’ tell me what a wasteland exists in television you rant an’ rave of poverty your fingers crawl the walls --- the screen door leaves black marks across your nose your breath remains on window glass bullfight posters hang crooked above your head an’ the phone rings constantly --- you tell me how much i’ve changed as if that is all there is t’ say out of the side of your mouth while talkin’ on the wires in a completely different tone of voice --- than you had a minute ago when speakin’ t’ me about something else i say what’s this about changes? you say "let’s go get drunk" light a cigarette "an’ throw up on the world" --- you go t’ your closet mumblin’ about the phoniness of churches an’ spastic national leaders i say groovy but also holy hollowness too yes hollow holiness --- an’ that some of my best friends know people that go t’ church you blow up slam doors say "can’t no one say nothin’ t’ you" i say "what do You think?" --- your face laughs you say "oh yeeeeeaah?" i’m gonna break up i say an’ reach for your coat ‘neath piles of paper slogans i say your house is dirty --- you say you should talk your hallway stinks as we walk through it your stairs tilt drastically your railing’s rotted an’ there’s blood at the --- bottom of your steps you say t’ meet bricks with bricks i say t’ meet bricks with chalk you tell me monster floor plans an’ i tell you about a bookie shop in boston givin’ odds on the presidential --- race i’m not gonna bet for a while i say little children shoot craps in the alley garbage pot you say "nothin’s perfect" --- an’ i tell you again there are no politics ---- Bob Dylan - some other kinds of songs.

mcv 12y ago

What other option is there? Revolution? If you can't get enough people together to vote the current crooks out of office, you certainly have no hope of staging a revolution. In the end, these people need to be prosecuted in order to lock them up. That means the DoJ needs to do its job, but in the corrupt system of the US, it also means that Congress needs to understand the gravity of the situation.

patronagezero 12y ago
Maybe people don't vote because they are disenchanted with the system they don't believe works as it was supposed to? Where the heck do you get off saying if people aren't capable of the desire to vote, a revolution isn't possible? Consider for a moment: you can vote for spam or canned tuna. Hilarious.
- mcv 12y ago
  Do you think people are more likely to take up arms against the government than to vote? You're a fool if you do. How do you think you can stage a revolution with a minority of the population behind you, while the powers that be are as well-armed and as eager to use violence as they are in the US? You've got a better chance of voting both parties out of office with a minority vote, and fixing the broken system that people are so disenchanted with. Your mistake is that you believe that the options they're giving you are the only ones. You can make a third option. If you can get enough people behind you to stage a credible revolution, you can easily get enough people to vote for your third option. It's totally true that the US electoral system is broken and corrupt and doesn't do justice to the vote of the people, but it's not yet to the point that the vote doesn't matter at all. People do still need to vote, and alternatives to the two ruling parties are still legal. You can take advantage of that to stage a much more peaceful revolution through the ballot box.