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>The list goes on. It sure does. > At DETENTION SITE COBALT, detainees were often held down, naked, on a tarp on the floor, with the tarp pulled up around the

by user24 12y ago

>The list goes on. It sure does. > At DETENTION SITE COBALT, detainees were often held down, naked, on a tarp on the floor, with the tarp pulled up around them to form a makeshift tub, while cold or refrigerated water was poured on them. Others were hosed down repeatedly while they were shackled naked, in the standing sleep deprivation position. These same detainees were subsequently placed in rooms with temperatures ranging from 59 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. > two detainees that each had a broken foot were also subjected to walling, stress positions, and cramped confinement, despite the note in their interrogation plans that these specific enhanced interrogation techniques were not requested because of the medical condition of the detainees. > CIA records indicate that Majid Khan cooperated with the feedings and was permitted to infuse the fluids and nutrients himself. After approximately three weeks, the CIA developed a more aggressive treatment regimen "without unnecessary conversation." Majid Khan was then subjected to involuntary rectal feeding and rectal hydration, which included two bottles of Ensure. Later that same day, Majid Khan's "lunch tray," consisting of hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts, and raisins, was "pureed" and rectally infused. Additional sessions of rectal feeding and hydration followed. edit: And I mean those are just the emotive gut-wrenching things. Skimming the rest of it, it's filled to the brim with the CIA lying about the extent, efficacy and importance of the program. To me, that is the more worrying part. Anyone who's studied basic psychology gets taught Zimbardo and knows what happens when you run an unregulated prison. While disgusting it's not surprising. But what is really surprising is the extent to which the CIA was willing to lie and obscure the truth even to their superiors.

Someone1234 12y ago
That last one is special. Add "anal rape" to the list of the CIA's torture accolades. Certainly didn't hear about THAT on the news.
- coldpie 12y ago
  Oh, it happens even within the states, to legal citizens. http://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/11/do-not-clench-your-buttocks-in-deming-new-mexico.html http://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/11/do-not-clench-your-but... Fuck the police.
- DanBC 12y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner... > These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder. > In 2004, Antonio Taguba, a major general in the U.S. Army, wrote in the Taguba Report that a detainee had been sodomized with "a chemical light and perhaps a broomstick."[30] In 2009, Taguba stated that there was photographic evidence of rape having occurred at Abu Ghraib.[31] An Abu Ghraib detainee told investigators that he heard an Iraqi teenage boy screaming, and saw an Army translator having sex with him, while a female soldier took pictures.[32] A witness identified the alleged rapist as an American-Egyptian who worked as a translator. In 2009, he was the subject of a civil court case in the United States.[31] Another photo shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner.[31] Other photos show interrogators sexually assaulting prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube, and a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts. > In other instances of sexual abuse, soldiers were found to have raped female inmates, and senior U.S. officials admitted that rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.[33][34] Some of the women who had been raped became pregnant, and in some cases, were later killed by their family members in what were thought to be instances of honor killing.[35]
icpmacdo 12y ago
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST the third point, there is a second half to it that shows what he tried to do to him self after being put through that > Additional sessions of rectal feeding and hydration followed. In addition to his hunger strikes, Majid Klian engaged in acts of self-harm that included attempting to cut his wrist on two occasions, an attempt to chew into his arm at the inner elbow, an attempt to cut a vein in the top of his foot, and an attempt to cut into his skin at the elbow joint using a filed toothbrush. Page 115
- Loughla 12y ago
  This man literally tried to chew through his own body, to bleed out, to avoid having his food forcefully shoved up his ass, for no reason whatsoever. He further attempted to kill himself on several occasions to avoid this as well. That is the cold truth of that statement. This is fucking disgusting, and someone needs to be held accountable.
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  - patronagezero 12y ago
    > and someone needs to be held accountable. The citizens of the United States need to be held accountable. Sorry, someone has to start looking at the root of the problem.
    - Loughla 12y ago
      I don't understand, how can you blame the citizens for this, when they were ignorant, against their will, about this? When the institution that is performing these acts out-and-out lies about the impact and severity, how can random citizens be held accountable? That honestly makes no sense to me.
      - patronagezero 12y ago
        At best, the citizens are ignorantly complicit by lack of attention. What did the people do about MK ULTRA? Who was punished? Oh, that's right, the CIA got off with paying their victims off and no-one was held "accountable". The republic has been dead. What's left is just the populace of the most financially successful country, and those people don't want to be told how complacently evil they and their country have become. I've argued with enough people that will reject the truth up until it's completely ill-refutable, the reason being, they like their lifestyle and make-believe country.
cryoshon 12y ago
This is our government, and these acts are done in the name of our safety. If you are not interested in someone torturing on your behalf, you need to speak out, and loudly.
- spacefight 12y ago
  It's not only your government, it's also the staff working at the military/industrial complex. It's also other governments and their staff who have been pribed/coerced to help them with their plan. It's people. It's people among us. It's sickening.
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  - olifante 12y ago
    1. The crimes of others do not excuse your own. 2. There is abundant proof that the US engaged in a deliberate, not occasional, policy of torture, whitewashed as "enhanced interrogation techniques". 3. There is so far no proof that other western nations have recently had a policy of deliberate torture, except for the sad cases where the US creatively outsourced some of its torture needs to Poland and perhaps a few other eastern european countries.
    - Shivetya 12y ago
      Where was I excusing anyone? I am merely stating, it would be ignorant to assume that other western countries are not doing the same and the same investigation into the possibility is warranted. Other Western nations facilitated capture and detention, they are helped get people to the CIA. So you are seriously telling me that they didn't suspect? Really??? Look, the EU is willing to drag planes from the sky to support the US in getting Snowden, so you think they don't know what the CIA was doing? Really???
    - xxxyy 12y ago
      These tortures were only happening in Poland, just like the Holocaust was merely happening in Poland. I hope that this is what you mean by 'creatively' - i.e. just changing the place, not the people.
rayiner 12y ago
> These same detainees were subsequently placed in rooms with temperatures ranging from 59 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh the horror of room temperature.
- user24 12y ago
  I dunno, 59 degrees seems quite chilly if you've just been stripped naked and soaked with ice cold water. Note no mention is made of whether the detainees were dried or clothed first either.
  - rayiner 12y ago
    Oh my god they were quite chilly.
  - coldtea 12y ago
    @rayiner >Oh my god they were quite chilly And abducted, held without trial, tortured, waterboard, anal raped, threatened, beaten againast a wall, and other things besides. A lot of them while also being totally inoccent (and in any way, without trial). What exactly have you suffered besides a comfy middle class existance that gives you the moral superiority to laugh at that? Would you also laugh at jews in Dr. Mengele's cold exposure experiments being "a little chilly"?
    - rayiner 12y ago
      Keeping in mind that we disagree as to how many, if any, of the detainees were "totally innocent" (as opposed to procedurally innocent), are you really going to compare our treatment of terrorists to the Germans' treatment of jewish civilians?
      - infinite8s 12y ago
        How do you know they were terrorists and not civilians?
      - rhizome 12y ago
EthanHeilman 12y ago
In one case, CIA abducted a mentally handicapped man who they knew to be innocent[0], for the sole purpose of recording and sending video tapes of him crying and in distress to his family members to use "as leverage"[1][2]. [0]: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542386688329125888/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542386688329125888/... [1]: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542385586313502720/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542385586313502720/... [2]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1376752/sscistudy1.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1376...

by user24 12y ago

Someone1234 12y ago

That last one is special. Add "anal rape" to the list of the CIA's torture accolades. Certainly didn't hear about THAT on the news.

coldpie 12y ago
Oh, it happens even within the states, to legal citizens. http://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/11/do-not-clench-your-buttocks-in-deming-new-mexico.html http://www.loweringthebar.net/2013/11/do-not-clench-your-but... Fuck the police.
DanBC 12y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner... > These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder. > In 2004, Antonio Taguba, a major general in the U.S. Army, wrote in the Taguba Report that a detainee had been sodomized with "a chemical light and perhaps a broomstick."[30] In 2009, Taguba stated that there was photographic evidence of rape having occurred at Abu Ghraib.[31] An Abu Ghraib detainee told investigators that he heard an Iraqi teenage boy screaming, and saw an Army translator having sex with him, while a female soldier took pictures.[32] A witness identified the alleged rapist as an American-Egyptian who worked as a translator. In 2009, he was the subject of a civil court case in the United States.[31] Another photo shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner.[31] Other photos show interrogators sexually assaulting prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube, and a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts. > In other instances of sexual abuse, soldiers were found to have raped female inmates, and senior U.S. officials admitted that rape had taken place at Abu Ghraib.[33][34] Some of the women who had been raped became pregnant, and in some cases, were later killed by their family members in what were thought to be instances of honor killing.[35]

icpmacdo 12y ago

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST the third point, there is a second half to it that shows what he tried to do to him self after being put through that > Additional sessions of rectal feeding and hydration followed. In addition to his hunger strikes, Majid Klian engaged in acts of self-harm that included attempting to cut his wrist on two occasions, an attempt to chew into his arm at the inner elbow, an attempt to cut a vein in the top of his foot, and an attempt to cut into his skin at the elbow joint using a filed toothbrush. Page 115

Loughla 12y ago
This man literally tried to chew through his own body, to bleed out, to avoid having his food forcefully shoved up his ass, for no reason whatsoever. He further attempted to kill himself on several occasions to avoid this as well. That is the cold truth of that statement. This is fucking disgusting, and someone needs to be held accountable.
- deleted 12y ago
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- patronagezero 12y ago
  > and someone needs to be held accountable. The citizens of the United States need to be held accountable. Sorry, someone has to start looking at the root of the problem.
  - Loughla 12y ago
    I don't understand, how can you blame the citizens for this, when they were ignorant, against their will, about this? When the institution that is performing these acts out-and-out lies about the impact and severity, how can random citizens be held accountable? That honestly makes no sense to me.
    - patronagezero 12y ago
      At best, the citizens are ignorantly complicit by lack of attention. What did the people do about MK ULTRA? Who was punished? Oh, that's right, the CIA got off with paying their victims off and no-one was held "accountable". The republic has been dead. What's left is just the populace of the most financially successful country, and those people don't want to be told how complacently evil they and their country have become. I've argued with enough people that will reject the truth up until it's completely ill-refutable, the reason being, they like their lifestyle and make-believe country.

cryoshon 12y ago

This is our government, and these acts are done in the name of our safety. If you are not interested in someone torturing on your behalf, you need to speak out, and loudly.

spacefight 12y ago
It's not only your government, it's also the staff working at the military/industrial complex. It's also other governments and their staff who have been pribed/coerced to help them with their plan. It's people. It's people among us. It's sickening.
deleted 12y ago
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- olifante 12y ago
  1. The crimes of others do not excuse your own. 2. There is abundant proof that the US engaged in a deliberate, not occasional, policy of torture, whitewashed as "enhanced interrogation techniques". 3. There is so far no proof that other western nations have recently had a policy of deliberate torture, except for the sad cases where the US creatively outsourced some of its torture needs to Poland and perhaps a few other eastern european countries.
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    Where was I excusing anyone? I am merely stating, it would be ignorant to assume that other western countries are not doing the same and the same investigation into the possibility is warranted. Other Western nations facilitated capture and detention, they are helped get people to the CIA. So you are seriously telling me that they didn't suspect? Really??? Look, the EU is willing to drag planes from the sky to support the US in getting Snowden, so you think they don't know what the CIA was doing? Really???
  - xxxyy 12y ago
    These tortures were only happening in Poland, just like the Holocaust was merely happening in Poland. I hope that this is what you mean by 'creatively' - i.e. just changing the place, not the people.

rayiner 12y ago

> These same detainees were subsequently placed in rooms with temperatures ranging from 59 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Oh the horror of room temperature.

user24 12y ago
I dunno, 59 degrees seems quite chilly if you've just been stripped naked and soaked with ice cold water. Note no mention is made of whether the detainees were dried or clothed first either.
- rayiner 12y ago
  Oh my god they were quite chilly.
- coldtea 12y ago
  @rayiner >Oh my god they were quite chilly And abducted, held without trial, tortured, waterboard, anal raped, threatened, beaten againast a wall, and other things besides. A lot of them while also being totally inoccent (and in any way, without trial). What exactly have you suffered besides a comfy middle class existance that gives you the moral superiority to laugh at that? Would you also laugh at jews in Dr. Mengele's cold exposure experiments being "a little chilly"?
  - rayiner 12y ago
    Keeping in mind that we disagree as to how many, if any, of the detainees were "totally innocent" (as opposed to procedurally innocent), are you really going to compare our treatment of terrorists to the Germans' treatment of jewish civilians?
    - infinite8s 12y ago
      How do you know they were terrorists and not civilians?
    - rhizome 12y ago

EthanHeilman 12y ago

In one case, CIA abducted a mentally handicapped man who they knew to be innocent[0], for the sole purpose of recording and sending video tapes of him crying and in distress to his family members to use "as leverage"[1][2]. [0]: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542386688329125888/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542386688329125888/... [1]: https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542385586313502720/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Ethan_Heilman/status/542385586313502720/... [2]: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1376752/sscistudy1.pdf https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1376...