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Not to discredit your point, as I do believe it's still has some validity, but that study is 12 years old and I'd like to think there has been some progress sin

by netstag 12y ago

Not to discredit your point, as I do believe it's still has some validity, but that study is 12 years old and I'd like to think there has been some progress since then... You know like maybe having a president with the name Barack Obama.

PhasmaFelis 12y ago
You figure a black person being elected President makes racists stop being racist? 'Cause I know some racists, and I can tell you that the opposite is true.
- vidarh 12y ago
  To me, the best demonstration of continued racism, is that there's no way Obama - being half-black, half-white - would have been able to get away with self-identifying as white.
  - Dylan16807 12y ago
    That's not really an aspect of racism. It's the way races are (poorly) defined. He qualifies as black unless we can kill the meme of races entirely, even in a world that had no prejudice.
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
      - Dylan16807 12y ago
        Yeah yeah, that rule of thumb is in the racist area but you can discount it and he's still obviously 'black' as much as the term 'black' has any meaning.
    - vidarh 12y ago
      The way races are defined is racist to begin with - that is the point - and the way it is being used to label people is explicitly used to put people down. Obama is "black" and not "white" solely because for a lot of people it is very important to label him black to be able to dismiss him. If people were not racist, nobody would e.g. care if people referred to him as white. Try referring to him even as mixed race, or half-white, and see the racists quickly come crawling out of the woodwork to make sure it is made clear how black he is.
      - Dylan16807 12y ago
        It's a description of someone's skin color and facial features for the most part. It's not fundamentally racist, that's just the main use.
- netstag 12y ago
  I have no doubt there are children today that are not growing up to become racist because of him. And I have no doubt there is less racism occurring, amongst todays' adults, because of him. Hence the word "progress" and the reason why relying on decade old social studies is not the best idea.

by netstag 12y ago

PhasmaFelis 12y ago

You figure a black person being elected President makes racists stop being racist? 'Cause I know some racists, and I can tell you that the opposite is true.

vidarh 12y ago
To me, the best demonstration of continued racism, is that there's no way Obama - being half-black, half-white - would have been able to get away with self-identifying as white.
- Dylan16807 12y ago
  That's not really an aspect of racism. It's the way races are (poorly) defined. He qualifies as black unless we can kill the meme of races entirely, even in a world that had no prejudice.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      Yeah yeah, that rule of thumb is in the racist area but you can discount it and he's still obviously 'black' as much as the term 'black' has any meaning.
  - vidarh 12y ago
    The way races are defined is racist to begin with - that is the point - and the way it is being used to label people is explicitly used to put people down. Obama is "black" and not "white" solely because for a lot of people it is very important to label him black to be able to dismiss him. If people were not racist, nobody would e.g. care if people referred to him as white. Try referring to him even as mixed race, or half-white, and see the racists quickly come crawling out of the woodwork to make sure it is made clear how black he is.
    - Dylan16807 12y ago
      It's a description of someone's skin color and facial features for the most part. It's not fundamentally racist, that's just the main use.
netstag 12y ago
I have no doubt there are children today that are not growing up to become racist because of him. And I have no doubt there is less racism occurring, amongst todays' adults, because of him. Hence the word "progress" and the reason why relying on decade old social studies is not the best idea.