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Nokia N1 Android Tablet Revealed
- mahouse 12y agoInteresting: Intel inside ("Intel® 64-bit Atom™ Processor Z3580, 2.3 GHz")
- amitbhawani 12y agoInteresting especially Nokia adopting Android now.
- Already__Taken 12y agoI'm not so sure. It's clear to me MS want Windows phone to look like a premium product all of its own merit and not just anything with a Nokia badge on it. Even the cheaper phones are targeted to be more top end for developing markets. Nokia must be a massive thing to have acquired solely to crank out windows phones. Do MS still go hunting for patent money from android manufactures? So they can potentially undercut everyone in the android game now right?
- dijit 12y agoif they do then that sucks, Nokia has a LOT of industry patents, including a few on bluetooth.
- secretdark 12y agoWell, I think it's tough to tell whether it's Nokia adopting Android or the company that's licensing the Nokia name (a Chinese hardware manufacturer) that's adopting Android. I don't doubt they had sign-off on the Android aspect (and, hopefully, actual device quality) prior to lending their name to it, but it seems like, given their plan to license off the Nokia brand, their "adoption" of anything is kind of moot.
- nabla9 12y agoN1 is their product. They just use contract manufacturers just like Apple does. They are also hiring new people for tablet development. Nokia only sold their phone manufacturing and design to Microsoft. Nokia is Nokia Networks, Mobile Broadband- and Global Services, Nokia HERE ja Nokia Technologies (previously Nokia Research). They also own the patents (just licensed to Microsoft)
- dagw 12y agoNokia has however been shopping its brand around to third parties looking to slap the Nokia label onto their own designs.
- experimental- 12y ago> They just use contract manufacturers just like Apple does. They do more than that; they have outsourced also the business execution (i.e. including selling, warranties, etc.) of the device to Foxconn. They just share in the revenue by licencing the use of their brand and design (and software).
- chroma 12y agoTalk about overkill. That's a quad-core x86-64 CPU clocking up to 2.33Ghz. I realize Atom microarchitectures aren't wide as Haswell and ilk, but that's still some serious horsepower. It's also interesting that Intel doesn't mention the TDP on their site.[1] I wonder if it eats more power than a comparable ARM CPU. 1. http://ark.intel.com/products/81195/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3580-2M-Cache-up-to-2_33-GHz http://ark.intel.com/products/81195/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z35...
- hyp0 12y agoAtom is less powerful than Celeron, Intel's low-budget/low-power family. Plus, it will be throttled, to reduce power consumption/heat, like all mobile CPU... but... it certainly does seem like a desktop-class CPU. It would be interesting to find the median power of a desktop CPU for each year; and the power delivered by a mobile CPU that's sustainable (i.e. without throttling/overheating - 2.33GHz is the "burst frequency"). Then, for example, you could say it's a "2003 desktop class". As a super-flawed estimate, the first time a PC CPU was available at or above 2.3GHz was in 2003. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor_chronology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor_chronology (Opteron, AMD) But this Atom may be a bit better, because that was high-end, not median; not 64-bit; not using fast memory or other advances; and single core not quad. How much they offset the crippled architecture of Atom and throttling, I don't know. It also has 2MB cache; my median PC in 2006 had only 512KB cache... I'd guess it's around 2006-8 desktop class.
- stuaxo 12y agoIt's tricky as RAM was a lot slower, most of those were single core with hyper threading wheras these are quad core. Definitely interested in the same thing.
- higherpurpose 12y agoWhat do you mean by overkill? That chip is less powerful than an Apple A8 or Nvidia Denver, and probably even the Snapdragon 805 inside the Nexus 6 and latest Motorola phones and Note 4.
- laichzeit0 12y ago"And, it again isn’t the standard Android OS" Why is this a good thing? Does it mean that it's going to lag behind, and at some point stop running the latest version of Android leaving you with a device that can't be updated?
- dagw 12y agoAccording to The Verge it will run stock android 5.0, just with a custom launcher installed.
- amitbhawani 12y agoThats the Z Launcher which Nokia had released months back for Android.
- sirkneeland 12y agoThis is correct.
- mahouse 12y agoBut that does not mean the Android OS will be updated.
- tn13 12y agoIt will be a good thing if Nokia or someone else creates and alternative for Android Play Store.
- nolok 12y agoThere are alternatives for Android Play Store already. The Chinese have several, there is the one from Amazon, ... There is no reason to think one by Nokia would be any more different or successful than those.
- tn13 12y agoThe biggest problem with all other stores is that they dont come pre-installed on the device.
- omnibrain 12y agoThe official product page: http://n1.nokia.com/ http://n1.nokia.com/
- tmikaeld 12y agoNice, when trying to sign up to the newsletter it says i'm blocked.. On all addresses, what gives?
- Nux 12y agoVery nice! Hope they'll release some Android phones, too. Whatever phone shop I enter I found myself loving the Nokia sets the most, but I just can't use Windows.
- Aoyagi 12y agoI'd just like to point out that Windows Phone has almost nothing to do with real Windows, no matter what Microsoft's marketing is trying to say.
- Nux 12y agoIt's Microsoft Windows, I don't care what exactly is under the bonnet.
- garretraziel 12y agoI think that they cannot release phone until 2016.
- dagw 12y agoIt's also worth mentioning that the CEO has recently stated that they're not interested in returning to the mobile handset market[1]. Of course it's anybodies guess as to how much stock to actually place in that statement. [1]http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-says-no-return-to-handsets-as-ceo-lays-out-its-plans-for-the-future-7000035809/ http://www.zdnet.com/nokia-says-no-return-to-handsets-as-ceo...
- nakedrobot2 12y agoOn the subject of this tablet (too little, too late), there is a nagging question, that maybe someone could explain: Why has there not been any criminal investigation at all, into the infiltration and acquisiton of Nokia? 1. Microsoft exec becomes CEO of Nokia 2. He bankrupts the company (burning platform memo, etc.) (Not only does he bankrupt it, but in all the history of corporate business, this is one of the most spectacular flameouts ever...) 3. Microsoft buys Nokia for peanuts I mean, wouldn't there at least be a bit of an investigation into this? The moment Elop became CEO, I had a suspicion that this was going to happen, and it did! I wouldn't say I'm particularly smart or well-informed - certainly everyone else saw it coming too.... (edit: clarified a couple points)
- walterbell 12y agoWhich country would investigate?
- amitbhawani 12y agoExactly! and whose loss is it?
- Aoyagi 12y agoFinland or EU (not a country (yet?), I know), of course. Nokia was a Finnish asset and EU should be looking into these deals to begin with.
- davb 12y agoI'm guessing this is the first example of device created with the Nokia brand as part of the licensing deal mentioned earlier this week [0]. They're simply cashing in on the value of that brand, and I worry ultimately it'll end up worthless. [0] http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/17/nokia-licensing-its-iconic-brand/ http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/17/nokia-licensing-its-iconi...
- rplnt 12y agoI was thinking about buying the Nokia Android phone back in June, but then I read reports they abandoned the platform. I don't trust them. Being stuck with unsupported software is really bad if the software sucks. And Android often does. I wouldn't consider 2.1 or lower release ready.. beta at best.. yet they sold it to consumers.
- Nokinside 12y agoThat was Microsoft, this is Nokia. Two different companies using the Nokia brand.
- hrvbr 12y agoThis is from the independent Nokia that makes HERE Maps, not from the division acquired by Microsoft.
- nemothekid 12y agoIt looks like 7in iPhone. Even the connector looks like a lightning jack from the renders. And at 6.9mm its thinner than every iPad other than the Air 2 and is even thinner than the 6+ (its as thin as the 6). Also a quad core intel atom. Are there any consumer devices running x86 Android? Seems like an interesting choice, I wonder how long intel can squeeze that battery. Really interesting design choice on Nokia's part, but it seems too recent to actually be a copy-cat in design. Really can't wait to get my hands on one.
- sirkneeland 12y agoIt looks amazing (and much more unique) in person. You'll have to try it! :)
- dagw 12y agoAre there any consumer devices running x86 Android? Acer, Asus and Lenovo have all gone Intel for their Android Tablets
- dingaling 12y ago> Are there any consumer devices running x86 Android? Tesco Hudl2 8-inch tablet, popular in the UK. Battery life is fairly dismal, from personal experience. And a dozen or so tablets in the Chinese market, few of which reach 'our' shores.
- 72deluxe 12y agoDo you find the Hudl2 any good other than the battery? Did you have a Hudl 1? If so, how does it compare? Also, what sort of battery life do you get?
- dingaling 12y agoFantastic screen on the Hudl2, exceptionally sharp. Good snappy CPU and wife reporters that it plays HD films without breaking a sweat. But we usually have to charge it every night by when it has dropped to 30% capacity. Full to empty when watching films and browsing is less than 24 hours, sadly. Despite An enormous battery. Also very hard to root and charging sometimes stalls and requires a reboot to restart.
- Yuioup 12y agoI thought that Microsoft was getting rid of the Nokia brand?
- Nokinside 12y agoThey are. This is not Microsoft making tablet with Nokia brand. This is Nokia the company making their own Tablet. Nokia only sold its ‘Devices and Services’ business to Microsoft and licensed its brand for transition period to MS.
- sirkneeland 12y agoThey did, because it's Nokia's brand, not Microsoft's. We (Nokia) are doing this independently of Microsoft.
- chanux 12y agoProbably not the right place to ask but any guarantees N1 will not go Nokia X way?
- garretraziel 12y agoI think that Nokia X was "product of Microsoft" (although planned long before the deal). This is product of Nokia, that means remaining parts of Nokia after mobile division was sold to Microsoft. So two different companies, same brand.
- termain 12y agoWhich part of Nokia? Networks, HERE or Technologies?
- firman 12y agoSo Microsoft only buy Nokia for Phone brand, Nokia cam still make other related device that other phone using Nokia brand.
- experimental- 12y agoTo be precise, Microsoft didn't buy Nokia's brand for use in phones, they licenced it, for about a year for smartphones and a decade for the so-called feature phones.
- vesinisa 12y agoMeanwhile in 2012 ... http://slatd.deviantart.com/art/Nokia-N1-298087658 http://slatd.deviantart.com/art/Nokia-N1-298087658
- flurdy 12y agoBe careful linking to deviant, probably due to some suspect ads. After having the page open for awhile (a long while in another tab) it redirects to spamware sites that want me download an .exe (I'm on Ubuntu). Shame as Devianart has been a great site.
- plicense 12y agoPeople should have a copyright on the name N1.. Oppo N1, Nokia N1..
- Hengjie 12y agoIs it me or does the site not load in Chrome? Initially, text flashes quickly then a blank page.
- unwind 12y agoThis is the first product I've seen to feature the new reversible and just generally very promising USB C-type connector. Just wanted to point that out, since it's fun when new tech enters the market.
- Roritharr 12y agoI just noticed too, this is awesome. But on the product page it says USB 2 Type-C, which is weird, since I've thought Type-C would start from USB 3.1, but it seems the standards can be mixed and matched. It would have been great since you'd have the DisplayPort Lanes on the connector as well, allowing for full 4k output over that small connector.
- robin_reala 12y agoApparently the chipset they had to use to support the Intel CPU tops out at USB2.
- Systemic33 12y agoTo be blunt, this iPad copying is very Nokia-unlike. I associate Nokia with high quality original designs, eg. Lumia devices. This isn't a real Nokia.
- pigeons 12y agoyou're not a real scotsman
- Systemic33 12y ago" The OEM partner is responsible for full business execution, from engineering and sales to customer care, including liabilities and warranty costs, inbound IP and software licensing and contractual agreements with 3rd parties." [1] It really isn't a Nokia device, it just has the brand tagged to it. [1] http://company.nokia.com/en/news/press-releases/2014/11/18/nokia-announces-n1-android-tablet http://company.nokia.com/en/news/press-releases/2014/11/18/n...
- rbanffy 12y agoIf Nokia, now owned by Microsoft, distributes a Linux variant, wouldn't that void all patent royalty claims they have used against other manufacturers? Any N1 owner can redistribute their source (which they have to make available) and grant the same usage rights the N1 owner got from Microsoft, effectively granting each and every Android manufacturer the same rights of N1 owners.
- yitchelle 12y agoThis tablet is from the Nokia that was not acquire by Microsoft as mentioned in this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8623311 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8623311
- Shooti 12y agoMicrosoft only bought Nokia's devices division, this is a product by the actual Nokia.
- sjogress 12y agoNokia sold off its phone division along with limited rights to the Nokia brand name to Microsoft. Nokia is still a large company with several different divisions not owned by Microsoft. This tablet seems to be from the old, independent Nokia, not Microsoft.
- mdasen 12y agoThe GPLv2 is only a copyright license, not a patent license. Some open-source licenses do require you not to enforce any of your patents that might be used in the product, but the GPLv2 does not. As others have pointed out, this tablet isn't from Microsoft, but even if it were from Microsoft it wouldn't matter because no patent rights are conferred by the GPLv2.
- rbanffy 12y agoIf I grant you the unrestricted use of my software and grant you the right to further grant all the rights I granted you to others, how can I enforce a patent license without breaking the terms under which I licensed the software in the first place?
- programminggeek 12y agoI really don't understand why Microsoft paid so much for Nokia's phone division.
- lnanek2 12y agoWould be interesting to see what the new zero gap screen looks like in person. For people who don't know, screens often have spaces between the front glass, actual LCD, touch sensor, etc.. Zero gap/laminated should improve display quality. Battery live measurements would be nice too with the Intel processor maybe helping or hurting.
- xrjn 12y agoMost modern smartphones already have this to a certain extent, I don't think that what Nokia calls 'zero gap screen' is much different from what we see today. All iPhones since the iPhone 4 have this, same with the Samsung Galaxy line (at least since the SIII, I didn't follow them before), and I'm sure most other mid/high end phones also use this. It's not only a question of improving display quality, this method allows manufacturers guarantee that there will be no dust between the lcd and the touch panel. It also makes the display module thinner, but then makes repair much more difficult - you either have to replace the entire module or painstakingly separate the LCD from the glass.
- joezydeco 12y agoThe technique is called "optical bonding", where an adhesive is poured on the LCD front glass and then the touchscreen/cover glass is adhered to the LCD. The upside is that the assembly can be thinner and the LCD closer to the user, but the downside is what you said. Impossible to repair.
- georgemcbay 12y agoNot impossible (but certainly much more difficult): http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4018 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4018
- aceperry 12y agoThat IS a surprise. Maybe Nokia can finally rise up on its own after all.
- jj00 12y agoKind of weird to see a picture introducing the tablet and it has the letter "F" written on it.
- AdmiralAsshat 12y agoSo can anyone who's looked at the specs explain where they're cutting corners? The aluminium body makes this look like a "premium" tablet, but at $250 I just don't see how that's possible/profitable. Even the 32 GB Nexus 7 was more than that at launch, and that had a plastic backing. Is the CPU and/or GPU on the low-end?
- wmf 12y agoI've read that those Intel SoCs may cost negative dollars.
- i_am_ralpht 12y agoIt's Intel's money; they've been rumored to be doing whole BOM subsidization (so the x86 is almost zero, and the non-Intel components are subsidized too). This is how INTC booked a $1B loss on $1M revenue for mobile in the most recent quarter. Cynically I wonder if they just merged mobile with the revenue positive CPU business to better bury the bad news every quarter.
- nsm 12y agoInteresting to see firefox for android in the stock photos. Does anyone know if that is going to be the default browser?
- abrowne 12y agoNote that since it doesn't have Google Play, they can't use Chrome.
- alahaitu 12y agoIt's actually a Foxconn product with a license acquired for using the Nokia brand. Only the launcher software and the case design are by Nokia.
- socceroos 12y agoYeah, a cursory glance at their marketing shows a bunch of Chinese market apps. I'm confident this is Foxconn's product.
- nextos 12y agoIt'd be amazing if this was a step towards bringing their awesome Maemo designs back (like the highly praised N9), and not just becoming yet another Android manufacturer.