8 ms·

Here are the ideas this propaganda piece is meant to sink into Swedes' heads: - Russians are scary and bad. We're on the good guys' side. (The good g

Here are the ideas this propaganda piece is meant to sink into Swedes' heads: - Russians are scary and bad. We're on the good guys' side. (The good guys are NATO and the West in general, of course) - We need to increase our military spending. - We need to join NATO.

mcv 12y ago
I suspect recent Russian behaviour might make NATO membership a lot more popular all of a sudden.
- lazyjones 12y ago
  Russian behaviour such as ... ? There have been plenty of allegations, that's true - but zero proof. It's sad how western media have completely failed to ask for any proof and have just been blowing NATO's political horn.
  - thrownaway2424 12y ago
    There's no proof that Russia forcibly annexed Ukraine? What newspaper have you been reading?
    - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
      What can you possibly mean? Russian troops and tanks entered the Ukraine by the thousands. Even after the 'withdrawal' some remain. What were they doing there, picking flowers?
    - lazyjones 12y ago
      You guys make me laugh. Such ridiculous statements that display complete ignorance for the situation in the Ukraine (which has not been annexed, perhaps you mean Crimea, which voted to become independent from Ukraine) speak for themselves, nothing more to add. It's sad that some of these people can downvote based on their "knowledge".
      - zer0c 12y ago
        Upvoted. Ministry of Truth is doing its job very well (on the other part of the world).
  - duaneb 12y ago
    I'm not sure if you've heard about a recent "civil war" between ukraine and russian "separatists"....
    - lazyjones 12y ago
      > russian "separatists".... They are called "pro-russian separatists".
      - duaneb 12y ago
        They also seem to be pretty russian themselves.
  - antimagic 12y ago
    They annexed this place called Crimea a little while back, you may have read about it in the papers. And a little while before that they went an invaded a country called Georgia. I honestly can't think of what more you could ask in terms of proof.
    - honeybooboo123 12y ago
      Crimeans voted to join Russia though. And the fact that all of this is so controversial is proof of massive reality-distortions by the media.
  - honeybooboo123 12y ago
    > It's sad how western media have completely failed to ask for any proof and have just been blowing NATO's political horn. NATO / "The West" uses its own mainstream media to further its own agenda. Russia uses theirs to further theirs. The ordinary people on both sides are just bombarded with propaganda.
zerr 12y ago
Hey, Rusi, why don't you go home? Leave your neighbors alone. You'll never be able to resurrect USSR. Is this so hard for you to get? Pidarasti kamunyagi...
- kvark 12y ago
  So the previous comment is heavily down-voted but this bullshit and insult stays fine with the community? Somehow, I expected better from HN...
  - davidw 12y ago
    Just flag off-topic, political articles like this. They always lead to bad discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - fsloth 12y ago
      To quote from the guidelines: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." Politically, a direct evidence of a foreign sub entering the waters of sweden in the baltic sea is _not_ everyday news. The last time this happened was 30 years ago and it raised a hell of a shitstorm in the neighbouring countries. This will have consequences, if only in the public perception of things, for quite some time.
      - davidw 12y ago
        With that reasoning, you could still fill up the front page and exclude the actual hacker news entirely.
        fsloth 12y ago
        I think the voting mechanism is there to filter unnecessary items away. To me, societies and politics are as 'hackable' or at least approachable with an engineering mindset as a e.g. a startup. They are a dynamic process in a physical world that are mostly guided by not-yet-mathematically-modeled rules and forces. As it is a turbulent system it's quite difficult to separate the wheat from chaff. I would claim there is a spectrum from 'populist troll of the month' to a historical event identified and remembered years onwards. I would claim, while perhaps not world shattering, the dynamics of this event will affect politics and will be remembered for at least for a while in a fairly significant region of thr world (unlike e.g. a council election in some local school would be).

mcv 12y ago

I suspect recent Russian behaviour might make NATO membership a lot more popular all of a sudden.

lazyjones 12y ago
Russian behaviour such as ... ? There have been plenty of allegations, that's true - but zero proof. It's sad how western media have completely failed to ask for any proof and have just been blowing NATO's political horn.
- thrownaway2424 12y ago
  There's no proof that Russia forcibly annexed Ukraine? What newspaper have you been reading?
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    What can you possibly mean? Russian troops and tanks entered the Ukraine by the thousands. Even after the 'withdrawal' some remain. What were they doing there, picking flowers?
  - lazyjones 12y ago
    You guys make me laugh. Such ridiculous statements that display complete ignorance for the situation in the Ukraine (which has not been annexed, perhaps you mean Crimea, which voted to become independent from Ukraine) speak for themselves, nothing more to add. It's sad that some of these people can downvote based on their "knowledge".
    - zer0c 12y ago
      Upvoted. Ministry of Truth is doing its job very well (on the other part of the world).
- duaneb 12y ago
  I'm not sure if you've heard about a recent "civil war" between ukraine and russian "separatists"....
  - lazyjones 12y ago
    > russian "separatists".... They are called "pro-russian separatists".
    - duaneb 12y ago
      They also seem to be pretty russian themselves.
- antimagic 12y ago
  They annexed this place called Crimea a little while back, you may have read about it in the papers. And a little while before that they went an invaded a country called Georgia. I honestly can't think of what more you could ask in terms of proof.
  - honeybooboo123 12y ago
    Crimeans voted to join Russia though. And the fact that all of this is so controversial is proof of massive reality-distortions by the media.
- honeybooboo123 12y ago
  > It's sad how western media have completely failed to ask for any proof and have just been blowing NATO's political horn. NATO / "The West" uses its own mainstream media to further its own agenda. Russia uses theirs to further theirs. The ordinary people on both sides are just bombarded with propaganda.

zerr 12y ago

Hey, Rusi, why don't you go home? Leave your neighbors alone. You'll never be able to resurrect USSR. Is this so hard for you to get? Pidarasti kamunyagi...

kvark 12y ago
So the previous comment is heavily down-voted but this bullshit and insult stays fine with the community? Somehow, I expected better from HN...
- davidw 12y ago
  Just flag off-topic, political articles like this. They always lead to bad discussions: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - fsloth 12y ago
    To quote from the guidelines: "Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." Politically, a direct evidence of a foreign sub entering the waters of sweden in the baltic sea is _not_ everyday news. The last time this happened was 30 years ago and it raised a hell of a shitstorm in the neighbouring countries. This will have consequences, if only in the public perception of things, for quite some time.
    - davidw 12y ago
      With that reasoning, you could still fill up the front page and exclude the actual hacker news entirely.
      - fsloth 12y ago
        I think the voting mechanism is there to filter unnecessary items away. To me, societies and politics are as 'hackable' or at least approachable with an engineering mindset as a e.g. a startup. They are a dynamic process in a physical world that are mostly guided by not-yet-mathematically-modeled rules and forces. As it is a turbulent system it's quite difficult to separate the wheat from chaff. I would claim there is a spectrum from 'populist troll of the month' to a historical event identified and remembered years onwards. I would claim, while perhaps not world shattering, the dynamics of this event will affect politics and will be remembered for at least for a while in a fairly significant region of thr world (unlike e.g. a council election in some local school would be).