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> middle of the war the Germans attacked their allies the Russians, starting an unwinnable conflict on two fronts, just to show how sneaky and untrustworthy th

by herge 12y ago

> middle of the war the Germans attacked their allies the Russians, starting an unwinnable conflict on two fronts, just to show how sneaky and untrustworthy they could be? Sneakily, except for the reams and reams of writing the National Socialists had written about conquering Russia to use their land as Lebensraum, and how that was the whole point of their war.

SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
Ah, that sub-plot from the book that didn't make it into the TV adaptation.
caycep 12y ago
I always wonder about the History Channel...the programs are a good piece of entertainment but it's never seemed to be well researched/thought out enough to act as a serious academic resource of any kind.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  It's researched enough for 99% of the people to not call them out on their BS.
- maxerickson 12y ago
  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/?no-ist http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabr... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus_Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus_Effect http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters It's unambiguously entertainment.
  - mcguire 12y ago
    "Bird wasn’t the first person to notice the dinosaur tracks, and selling the sauropod and theropod tracks was a cottage industry in the vicinity of Glen Rose. And a few local people carved fake human tracks in the same stone. Bird actually saw a pair of such forgeries at a trading post in Gallup, New Mexico, along with dinosaur tracks removed from the Glen Rose area, shortly before he left to investigate the site himself." That's completely ridiculous! I'm surprised the Smithsonian is putting it's good name behind this sort of trash. Do you know how far Gallup, NM, is from Glen Rose? It's nearly a thousand miles! Certainly, no trading post dealer is going to travel that sort of distance to tote some rocks around! Not even the most dedicated 12-year-old tourist would do it. I'm sorry, what was the question? "Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/#Grp0TFZfLeW7kDSy.99 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabr... Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter" Thank you, Smithsonian!
    - maxerickson 12y ago
      I think your premise about the rocks moving around is flawed. I was in a touristy rock shop near here a few weeks ago: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2474164,-88.4525903,12z https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2474164,-88.4525903,12z It had junk from all around the world. I imagine they utilized package delivery services (further sarcasm omitted) as much as they carried stuff around themselves. But sure, let's be more cynical about Smithsonian Mag than History.
trhway 12y ago
Drang nach Osten! starting from the times of Teutonic order, and some time before if we remember the Polabian Slavs. The story didn't start with Hitler and didn't end with him. 200 years from now comparing Eastern Europe political maps of 1984 vs. 2014 it would be pretty obvious that the Eastward expansion has greatly succeeded this time, surprisingly [relatively] peaceful this time and only the most eastward end of the push caused a mild local military conflict - Ukraine-Russian war in Donbass.
VLM 12y ago
At a small liberal arts college, a long time ago, our senior year capstone class topic was "The Holocaust" where all 750 or so of us, took the same class from different liberal arts instructors as a synthesis across all branches of liberal arts. So we all had a little art and a little lit and a little philosophy and ... although my specific section was taught by a lit prof who thought my thesis about nazi era architecture was really boring but still worth a "B" (in those days before grade inflation that "B" wasn't even all that bad) Anyway Hitler's book was VERY creepy to read because virtually the entire book rhymed with what later happened in WWII but was slightly off key, making it really weird, like a hazy memory. What I'm getting at is they telegraphed pretty much exactly what they actually did everywhere, its not unique to double crossing Russia. There were some differences. From memory more than a decade ago he had peculiar ideas about the Americans, for example.

by herge 12y ago

SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago

Ah, that sub-plot from the book that didn't make it into the TV adaptation.

caycep 12y ago

I always wonder about the History Channel...the programs are a good piece of entertainment but it's never seemed to be well researched/thought out enough to act as a serious academic resource of any kind.

Igglyboo 12y ago
It's researched enough for 99% of the people to not call them out on their BS.
maxerickson 12y ago
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/?no-ist http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabr... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus_Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostradamus_Effect http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters http://www.history.com/shows/ufo-hunters It's unambiguously entertainment.
- mcguire 12y ago
  "Bird wasn’t the first person to notice the dinosaur tracks, and selling the sauropod and theropod tracks was a cottage industry in the vicinity of Glen Rose. And a few local people carved fake human tracks in the same stone. Bird actually saw a pair of such forgeries at a trading post in Gallup, New Mexico, along with dinosaur tracks removed from the Glen Rose area, shortly before he left to investigate the site himself." That's completely ridiculous! I'm surprised the Smithsonian is putting it's good name behind this sort of trash. Do you know how far Gallup, NM, is from Glen Rose? It's nearly a thousand miles! Certainly, no trading post dealer is going to travel that sort of distance to tote some rocks around! Not even the most dedicated 12-year-old tourist would do it. I'm sorry, what was the question? "Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/#Grp0TFZfLeW7kDSy.99 http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabr... Give the gift of Smithsonian magazine for only $12! http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv http://bit.ly/1cGUiGv Follow us: @SmithsonianMag on Twitter" Thank you, Smithsonian!
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    I think your premise about the rocks moving around is flawed. I was in a touristy rock shop near here a few weeks ago: https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2474164,-88.4525903,12z https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2474164,-88.4525903,12z It had junk from all around the world. I imagine they utilized package delivery services (further sarcasm omitted) as much as they carried stuff around themselves. But sure, let's be more cynical about Smithsonian Mag than History.

trhway 12y ago

Drang nach Osten! starting from the times of Teutonic order, and some time before if we remember the Polabian Slavs. The story didn't start with Hitler and didn't end with him. 200 years from now comparing Eastern Europe political maps of 1984 vs. 2014 it would be pretty obvious that the Eastward expansion has greatly succeeded this time, surprisingly [relatively] peaceful this time and only the most eastward end of the push caused a mild local military conflict - Ukraine-Russian war in Donbass.

VLM 12y ago

At a small liberal arts college, a long time ago, our senior year capstone class topic was "The Holocaust" where all 750 or so of us, took the same class from different liberal arts instructors as a synthesis across all branches of liberal arts. So we all had a little art and a little lit and a little philosophy and ... although my specific section was taught by a lit prof who thought my thesis about nazi era architecture was really boring but still worth a "B" (in those days before grade inflation that "B" wasn't even all that bad) Anyway Hitler's book was VERY creepy to read because virtually the entire book rhymed with what later happened in WWII but was slightly off key, making it really weird, like a hazy memory. What I'm getting at is they telegraphed pretty much exactly what they actually did everywhere, its not unique to double crossing Russia. There were some differences. From memory more than a decade ago he had peculiar ideas about the Americans, for example.