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Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

157 points by lelf 12y ago

e40 12y ago
This is a little odd to post here. It the same article posted monthly, slightly updated each month to include new and updated info. Having said that, I used the tonymacx86 guide to buy and build my hackintosh. My details: http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/build-complete-the-new-hackintosh-is-a-success/ http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/build-complete-the-...
sounds 12y ago
The Hackintosh movement is still going strong. One would think Apple would make their life difficult but quite the opposite appears to be the case: there are a few well-understood workarounds to get OS X working on an off-the-shelf PC, mostly just audio and networking. Be careful if you choose not to follow the guides, though! There's a reason most Hackintoshes use Gigabyte motherboards, Atheros wireless, etc. - Just another happy Hackintosh user.
- jamescun 12y ago
  By this point, Macs are only a notch away from a stock PC. Even the last vestige of difference, such as the use of EFI, are becoming common practice by other computer manufacturers. The time and effort required to introduce technical preventative measures far out-weigh the "loss" from the Hackintosh community (which is still a minuscule niche in comparison to their genuine markets).
  - yuhong 12y ago
    I know. What is funny is that they made OS X free despite that.
    - kbar13 12y ago
      pretty sure the margins for the hardware is significantly higher than the margin for their OS, so it's much more valuable that Apple makes it as easy as possible for people to buy into their ecosystem.
    - pudquick 12y ago
      The point of giving the OS away was to encourage buying a new device. Especially when it sends you notifications/badges that the new OS is available - and then the new OS takes advantage of newer hardware features ... and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. The margins on selling the OS were never very good. Apple has always made the majority of their money from hardware sales.
      - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
        Windows used to make a good go at it (and still does in Enterprise). I think that this is changing very quickly, however.
      - orbitur 12y ago
        > and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. Where is this case? In my experience, something I saw online simply wasn't available to me, like AirDrop, for instance. I upgraded my mid-09 MBP to 10.7, looked for AirDrop and couldn't find it. Same for Handoff and the Bluetooth-required new features in Yosemite. Apple doesn't go out of its way to inform me my hardware is out of date; features talked about in the media are just missing. edit: Also, your post sounds dangerously close to the uninformed "Apple purposefully makes iOS n perform worse on device x", as if that's a smart business move.
        FireBeyond 12y ago
        Re Handoff in Yosemite... there are hacked kexts that make it work just fine in older (non BT LE/4) Macs (with regular BT) making it fairly clear that an artificial limitation was introduced.
        orbitur 12y ago
        That's not quite the whole truth. There are two Mac models where you can simply enable it: the mid-2011 Mac mini, and the mid-2011 MBA. Every other model it could potentially work on, you literally need to upgrade the wireless card. Given that, it makes me wonder how the unmodified Mac mini and MBA perform.
- presumeaway 12y ago
  Once it's set up and working the way you want, how often do you find yourself dealing with small issues?
  - honopu 12y ago
    I ran one for about 6 months, then finally gave up and bought a Mac Pro. I had a board that wasn't necessarily supported but through trial and error I was able to get it to work. I wanted to go to 3 monitors and my video card wouldn't support it, so I just went ahead and bought the Mac Pro. If you needed to build some machines that you don't necessarily care about updating (like some networked "macs" for compressor or rendering) then I think these would be great. I may end up building another one but I really can't justify it with a retina macbook pro. I don't game and that's the only reason I'd go back.
    - Zarel 12y ago
      I ran one for around three years before getting the Mac Pro, and it did everything I needed it to without problems. The only problem I was having was a hard drive corruption issue in OS X 10.8 and newer, which turned out to be a problem on my Mac Pro, too, until I finally realized the problem was with Apple's exFAT drivers and not with my hackintosh setup.
  - adamors 12y ago
    Not the OP, but I built one based on one of these guides 2 years ago. The only problem I have is that once in a while (1-2 a month) the sound doesn't work after resuming from sleep. I have to reboot to get it back. Otherwise I don't have any issues. I'm running the latest Mavericks, could install updates etc.
    - vasac 12y ago
      I built a Yosemite based Hackintosh a few weeks ago and had a same problem except it occurred almost every time computer wakes up. Solution was to unload audio drivers before computer goes to sleep and then load them again when it wakes up. Somehow it works even when kext is in use and cannot be unloaded.
- LarryMade2 12y ago
  I think Apple doesn't worry too much, their best customers, aren't techies. They may get a hackintosh up, but if there’s any frustration they probably will just go and get an all-apple product, which will "just work". And that's the attraction of Macs.
  - simonh 12y ago
    Quite. I seriously considered the Hackintosh route a few years ago and spent some time looking into what's involved, but in the end decided it wasn't worth it. One of the reasons I switched to the Mac was because I want something that just works - I was fed up with viruses and virus scanners, driver issues and such on windows. Linux wasn't an option for similar issues though I always have it handy in a VM. The problem for me is that while I think I'm perfectly capable of handling the technical issues with setting up a Hackintosh, the extra value of that customisability it's isn't there for me. I'd rather pay a few hundred quid more and have a solid, supported system than spend a few days of my time setting a machine up and then a few hours every few months fixing niggling issues. I fully understand why people with specific needs go the Hackintosh route, for them it's worth it. Maybe I'll be in that camp some day, but not for now. I suspect this is why Apple doesn't bother killing Hackintoshes. If people, are wiling to spend their own time and effort doing it, they're probably not going to instead spend the money with Apple. They are still paying a cost though, so that's the market in action. The alternative would be Apple spending Engineering effort fighting them. Again, that's not an efficient or economically useful way to spend that time and money.
- sauce71 12y ago
  Obviously Apple has outsmarted us again. I love my Hackintosh with the "free" OS X (That I have had the last year (Coming from MS). But ... I finally got a iPhone a few weeks ago and I have bought for me and my so and children in the last 3 years: 6 iPads, 4 iPhones, 1 MacBook Pro, 2 MacBook Airs and 2 Apple TV's. We are now totally entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem. I love how all my devices now play together. The next six months we will likely buy 1-2 new iPads, 1 iPhone 6, 2 iWatch, 1 Apple TV and possibly another MacBook. So ... As long as Apple do not have any reasonable priced / hackable desktop I think they will be very carefull to not make osX harder to run "unofficially" on Hackintoshes. I actually get a feeling they make it easier all the time ...
  - jmnicolas 12y ago
    Wow you won the lottery ? I don't think I could ever afford these many devices in a lifetime !
- analog31 12y ago
  Apple may benefit from what amounts to a two tiered price structure. They make their money from their mainstream customers who pay full fare for Apple hardware and software. Meanwhile, giving OSX away for use on cheaper hardware supports their app developers while taking business away from potential competitors or innovators. To be fair, I also suspect that widespread piracy in the early days of personal computers actually contributed to Microsoft's monopoly by creating a price point that nobody could compete with.
m0th87 12y ago
Do these rigs break down with Apple patches or the like? Can I reasonably expect a setup now to work 5 years from now?
- Washuu 12y ago
  As long as a standard accepted configuration is used stuff tends to "just work". I have my Hackintosh identified as a MacPro3,1. Standards OS X maintenance releases upgrade just fine. I try to be careful with full OS upgrades which usually just involves waiting a month or so to see what problems people run into. Though, I do that even with official Apple hardware because inevitably there is some issue with official Apple hardware or software that ends up screwing me until fixes are pushed out. The only reason the hardware would stop working is if Apple drops the similar official hardware as being supported in a new release such as when they dropped 32-bit EFI support.
- rickyc091 12y ago
  It depends on the patch. If they introduce a patch to fix something say bluetooth or wifi, that patch could very well break it. If it breaks, you might have to hack it again to resolve the issues. Having a hackintosh myself, I think it's easier to just buy a mac and not worry about it. If you love tinkering / you have the time to deal with it, then by all means.
- matthew-wegner 12y ago
  I've been running a hack desktop as my main rig for a few years (10.7 -> 10.8 -> 10.9 -> 10.10). My hardware setup only requires a single 3rd-party kext (for networking), so it holds up super well with updates. I can patch dot releases with no trouble, and only need to do a full USB key install for major releases. I went hackintosh when the Mac Pro line had become stale. Today I would probably just suck it up and get a real Mac Pro if I was in the market for a new machine, to be honest. I've spent a lot of time on the initial setup and failed experiments and iMessage trouble and things. (Now I run my setup with a cloned serial/ROM/MLB/etc values from one of my real Macs that I took off iCloud, which solved all of my iMessage related troubles apparently permanently).
free652 12y ago
Personally I am a happy cow with my hackintosh able to drive 4k @ 60hz :-) GTX750/UP2414Q with Yosemite
- ebiester 12y ago
  Which monitor are you using?
  - free652 12y ago
    Dell UP2414Q
zippergz 12y ago
Just quickly doing the math in my head, it seems like the Mini costs roughly the same as a real Mac Mini. So, what's the advantage of going the DIY route? I presume the price gap grows on the higher end systems?
- jacquesm 12y ago
  What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? For one I would assume that since it's built up from separate parts you can upgrade it at will, something you can't really do with a 'real' Mac Mini.
  - berberous 12y ago
    I assume he means the much better support, much nicer case, higher resale value, etc.
    - morbius 12y ago
      "nicer case" is subjective, although I will agree that official Apple models do have far better support and far better resale value. That said, I don't think the average Hackintosher really cares about those things -- there's a reason why "hack" is in the name. It's a hacky and fun way to get OS X running on unofficially supported hardware, and I don't think support and resale value are high on a Hackintosher's priority list.
  - UnoriginalGuy 12y ago
    > What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? Warranty and support. If Apple releases an update that breaks your Hackintosh then too bad, if Apple does it to your $100 more legit Mac Mini then you can moan at them if nothing else. I do, however, completely agree with the upgrade argument. Particularly with the latest gen' of Mac Mini which don't allow the RAM to be upgraded because greed.
    - FireBeyond 12y ago
dj-wonk 12y ago
This compares pricing of some Apple offerings versus their hackintosh counterparts: http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/05/how-much-money-will-hackintosh-save-you.html http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/05/how-much-money-will-hackin...
- e40 12y ago
  The "Mac Pro vs. CustoMac Pro Socket 2011" comparison is completely bogus, because the CustoMac has space for hard drives and the Mac Pro requires the purchase of an external bay that runs $1,500 to $2,500. That moves the base up to $4,500 and $5,500 for people that need more than 3 hard drives (me). Now you're talking $1,550 vs $5,500 and that is the precise reason I didn't buy a Mac Pro and I did build a hackintosh.
rrggrr 12y ago
Id like to find someone reputable to build one for me. Any volunteers?
- leoh 12y ago
  I have a few over the years. My email is my profile. Feel free to get in touch.
- wuster 12y ago
  I've built Hackintoshes since 10.7, but I would never offer to build one for friends and family, only because I know I'll be called upon to fix the inevitable problem during software updates. This is a social obligation I rather avoid, lest I become the "IT guy" for yet another dependent. My recommendation is - if you don't have the knowledge or patience to build one yourself, you should not ask one to be built for you, because it will break and you're gonna have an unproductive day/week while you wait for help to arrive. Not worth the headache and lost productivity. Hackintoshing should be strictly treated as a hobby.
cji 12y ago
I built one 3 years ago and have been mostly pleased. It's a pain that with every point release I have to re-apply the patches for my audio to work, and migrating to new OS X versions can be nerve-wracking, but tonymac's site is an outstanding resource to help you through the process.
lmz 12y ago
While I'm not saying it's not fun to try and run OS X on PC hardware, can anyone explain to me how this is not morally equivalent to unauthorized copying / software piracy, given that they are both violations of the license agreement?
- deleted 12y ago
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- FireBeyond 12y ago
  If you acquired the software legally, what then do you think? Now ask yourself this question if you legally purchased Oracle or MSSQL, and were evaluating for an application, testing, etc - and now I inform you that that's unauthorized, and Oracle's license forbids you from doing any form of benchmarking related to the database. Do you feel that you are being immoral to test your application?
  - lmz 12y ago
    Are you saying that people purchased the software not knowing that the license agreement forbids you from running it on non-Apple hardware? There are even minimal protections in place to prevent it running on non-Apple hardware e.g. "Don't Steal Mac OS X.kext" http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter7/binaryprotection/ http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter7/binaryprotection/ so people can't just claim it magically worked on their PC when they installed it. To me what they are doing are no different from the people distributing cracked games with disabled copy protection.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    Oracle licensing allows you to benchmark the software. You're not allowed to disclose the results without permission. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-uk-v111003-070670.pdf http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-uk-v111003-0... You may not: • remove or modify any program markings or any notice of Oracle’s proprietary rights; • make the programs or materials resulting from the services available in any manner to any third party for use in the third party’s business operations (unless such access is expressly permitted for the specific program license or materials from the services you have acquired); • cause or permit reverse engineering (unless required by law for interoperability), disassembly or decompilation of the programs; or • disclose results of any program benchmark tests without Oracle’s prior written consent.
jfroma 12y ago
I tried once but now I don't understand it. The main benefit for me using OSx is that is a nix desktop os that works well on a very specific hardware. Having used linux on the desktop before for years I always had some problem with drivers and alike. If I were willing to deal with these kind of issues I'd do it with some linux distribution not osx. I guess there are some cases like developing software for Apple os.
- eropple 12y ago
  I can only speak for myself, but I Hackintosh because I need more computrons than I can get in a retina MBP or a Mac mini and I'm not paying $5K for a Mac Pro. My desktop (a Nehalem i7 with a Radeon HD6870) is still competitive with every Mac they field, aside from that Pro, and I paid about a grand for it three years ago. Even aside from the lack of basically essential applications like Photoshop and Illustrator, I'd rather invest a little effort making OS X work than work every day in a Linux environment. The desktop experience, be it GNOME or KDE or XFCE, is at best lukewarm and usually leaves me asking in vain why this software hates me and wants me to waste my time.
  - wuster 12y ago
    Same here, I run a spec that Apple simply won't sell me. The moment they sell me a computer that's user upgradable over time and allows me to choose the monitors (no glare, please) that fit my needs, I'll say TAKE MY MONEY! My Hackintosh built in 2012 for less than $800, it has: - Core i5 3.4 GHz (still competitive with Mac CPU specs sold in 2014 and into 2015) - GeForce GT 640 with 2 x DVI + 1 x HDMI for a triple monitor setup (much better than anything in Mac Minis and some iMacs) - 2 SSD drives for main OS - 2 x 3TB magnetic drives (sync'ed to Amazon Glacier) Note that two years after my initial build, faster CPU options and graphics cards can be swapped in with incremental upgrades as my requirements increase. I'll post separately in this thread tomorrow about my recommendations and experience running this machine, but it's hands down the best Mac money can't buy, with room to grow. I don't do it because I don't want to give Apple my money, I have to do it because Apple won't take my money. - P.S. IMO, Hackintosh only makes sense for desktops. While the various methods could get it to work for laptops, no manufacturer comes close to Apple's build quality. That trackpad is just amazing.
TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago
It's worth noting that this site, TonyMacx86, isn't well-liked by some of the Hackintosh community, because they plagiarise and rebrand software and drivers helpful or necessary in Hackintosh setup. The guide may be useful, but please get your setup tools from the original sources. My main source for this is conversations I've had in IRC, but it's also been noted elsewhere.[0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] Also, apparently they have weird anti-piracy measures on their software... software which they stole from others![9] If you want Hackintosh install software which isn't stolen, I suggest myHack: http://myhack.sojugarden.com/ http://myhack.sojugarden.com/ (I'm unaffiliated with it, but I've used it and I've had it recommended to me.) Unfortunately, myHack is now proprietary, because the author has had their code stolen in the past. It is, however, freeware. [0] http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/ http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/ [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/17cb3x/have_any_other_people_new_to_osx86_hacking_found/c850t3a http://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/17cb3x/have_any_... [2] http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/gigabyte-uefi-bios-perfect-fit-for.html?showComment=1370171495963#c6546710102114784135 http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/gigabyte-uefi-bi... [3] http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/626-d620-help/ http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/626-d620-help/ [4] http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3558672 http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3... [5] http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?32906-ASUS-UEFI-vBIOS-tool-for-GTX-600-series-cards!-It-s-Here!&s=379a275a55d98d9b86e048febc56885e&p=294927&viewfull=1#post294927 http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?32906-ASUS-UEFI-vBI... [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8468789 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8468789 (HN post, turn on showdead) [7] https://twitter.com/Zackehh9lives/status/337548817513717760 https://twitter.com/Zackehh9lives/status/337548817513717760 [8] http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/3593-myhack-vs-unibeast/?p=25760 http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/3593-myhack-vs... [9] https://web.archive.org/web/20130215124559/http://tkware.info/2013/01/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-tonymacx86/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130215124559/http://tkware.inf...
- hapless 12y ago
  I don't think anyone is surprised when a software piracy site doesn't have careful copyright attributions for all of its piracy tools.
judk 12y ago
Those parts links need a List Link to easily view each bundle together on newegg/ amazon.
hapless 12y ago
Your karma check for today: There once was was a user that whined his existing OS was so blind, he'd do better to pirate an OS that ran great but found his hardware declined. Please don't steal Mac OS! Really, that's way uncool. (C) Apple Computer, Inc. (from a low page written in memory when Don't Steal Mac OS X.kext is loaded)
- wuster 12y ago
  Apple is rolling in cash from the 20+ Macs/iPhones/iPods I've personally owned or got from work over the years, I don't feel a tinge of guilt, I'm probably one of their best lifetime customers.
lokeshk 12y ago
After a bit of brain storming between mac and hackintosh, I eventually decided to buy a mac mini 2012. I agree that the site appears very convincing, but I wonder if it's worth putting the effort to build a system that may or may not work 5 years from now. I took the cheapest mac mini 2012, $499 at BHPhoto, and upgraded the RAM to 16 GB, and HDD to 512 SSD. Couldn't be happier! I can see this device working 5 years from now.
- orbifold 12y ago
  The installation is by now very straightforward, if you have for example Gigabyte board and standard components. In 2012 I bought a i7-3770, 8gb ram, nvidia gtx 680, gigabyte-z77-d3h and 256 SSD. On such hardware all it takes is readjusting some BIOS settings (turn on AHCI, disable Intel Vd) and maybe install a ethernet driver and sound driver. I'm pretty sure an equivalent iMac would have been significantly more expensive, than what I paid then.
  - lokeshk 12y ago
    I agree - the front cost is not as high as it used to be. Although, the maintenance cost is probably high which is what I was hinting to in my comment. How has your experience been around upgrades in the last two years? The apps like iMessage check BIOS to ensure that it's apple hardware that they are running on. And between upgrades, those things can potentially change. How many adjustments have you had to make along the way?
obviouslygreen 12y ago
There are two fairly consistent benefits to running OS X: 1. It usually comes installed on great hardware. 2. It's less vulnerable to most things than Windows. Beyond that, if you choose to build a Hackintosh, in my opinion you (for whatever reason) enjoy OS X enough to depend on it but don't like Apple enough to run their OS without paying their hardware premium (entirely understandable from the price perspective but a little illogical if you take it a bit further). Frankly, I can't see any reason for the Hackintosh middle ground other than people who can't cope without the OS but can't afford the hardware. The software is little more than a neutered and compromised version of BSD that lets you part way into a walled garden (cue It's a trap! meme). Granted: There's also the requirement of a Mac for iOS development... but guess what? You're still stuck with the developer program membership fee. Save $500 here, lose $100 a year there, along with probably being in violation of half a dozen usage limitations.
- oe 12y ago
  First, I don't think Apple hardware is expensive when you compare it to other machines with similar specs. The reason for building my own Hackintosh was mostly getting a machine that was good for gaming (a powerful GPU). It wasn't about saving money, as the same money would have bought a decent iMac, but using that money better.
  - zaphoyd 12y ago
    I'd second this. In general, Apple hardware is not terribly expensive for what you get (assuming that you don't value things like software, industrial design, power efficiency, noise, compactness at zero because you personally are not interested in them). A Hackintosh lets you get combinations of hardware that Apple doesn't sell. It also lets you add or remove features that Apple doesn't offer on any model such as replaceable components and large/loud/inefficient machines. In many cases this does end up being cheaper because you are purposely choosing to use fewer or lower quality components.
- Gracana 12y ago
  The benefit I get from running OS X is "a unix-y system that is beautiful and maintenance-free." No worrying about drivers, sound systems, display managers, fonts and hinting systems. People who write software for this system tend to care deeply about adhering to the HIG. All of the ugly problems I run into with linux distributions are taken care of in OS X. If I had money, I'd buy a real mac. But I don't, and this option is as easy as (and way more appealing than) running something like Ubuntu.
edelans 12y ago
I would love to see such a list for linux distros !
calimac 12y ago
Tonymacx86 = a glorified Amazon Affiliate blog. Dude is all about driving traffic to his amazon affiliate account. brilliant. I can't complain because the site has helped me from time to time. Tonymac has been good for the overall main streaming of the hackintosh movement. Back when OSx was $20 he forced the app store purchase (good i guess)

157 points by lelf 12y ago

e40 12y ago

This is a little odd to post here. It the same article posted monthly, slightly updated each month to include new and updated info. Having said that, I used the tonymacx86 guide to buy and build my hackintosh. My details: http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/build-complete-the-new-hackintosh-is-a-success/ http://envoy510.wordpress.com/2014/03/01/build-complete-the-...

sounds 12y ago

The Hackintosh movement is still going strong. One would think Apple would make their life difficult but quite the opposite appears to be the case: there are a few well-understood workarounds to get OS X working on an off-the-shelf PC, mostly just audio and networking. Be careful if you choose not to follow the guides, though! There's a reason most Hackintoshes use Gigabyte motherboards, Atheros wireless, etc. - Just another happy Hackintosh user.

jamescun 12y ago
By this point, Macs are only a notch away from a stock PC. Even the last vestige of difference, such as the use of EFI, are becoming common practice by other computer manufacturers. The time and effort required to introduce technical preventative measures far out-weigh the "loss" from the Hackintosh community (which is still a minuscule niche in comparison to their genuine markets).
- yuhong 12y ago
  I know. What is funny is that they made OS X free despite that.
  - kbar13 12y ago
    pretty sure the margins for the hardware is significantly higher than the margin for their OS, so it's much more valuable that Apple makes it as easy as possible for people to buy into their ecosystem.
  - pudquick 12y ago
    The point of giving the OS away was to encourage buying a new device. Especially when it sends you notifications/badges that the new OS is available - and then the new OS takes advantage of newer hardware features ... and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. The margins on selling the OS were never very good. Apple has always made the majority of their money from hardware sales.
    - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
      Windows used to make a good go at it (and still does in Enterprise). I think that this is changing very quickly, however.
    - orbitur 12y ago
      > and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. Where is this case? In my experience, something I saw online simply wasn't available to me, like AirDrop, for instance. I upgraded my mid-09 MBP to 10.7, looked for AirDrop and couldn't find it. Same for Handoff and the Bluetooth-required new features in Yosemite. Apple doesn't go out of its way to inform me my hardware is out of date; features talked about in the media are just missing. edit: Also, your post sounds dangerously close to the uninformed "Apple purposefully makes iOS n perform worse on device x", as if that's a smart business move.
      - FireBeyond 12y ago
        Re Handoff in Yosemite... there are hacked kexts that make it work just fine in older (non BT LE/4) Macs (with regular BT) making it fairly clear that an artificial limitation was introduced.
        orbitur 12y ago
        That's not quite the whole truth. There are two Mac models where you can simply enable it: the mid-2011 Mac mini, and the mid-2011 MBA. Every other model it could potentially work on, you literally need to upgrade the wireless card. Given that, it makes me wonder how the unmodified Mac mini and MBA perform.
presumeaway 12y ago
Once it's set up and working the way you want, how often do you find yourself dealing with small issues?
- honopu 12y ago
  I ran one for about 6 months, then finally gave up and bought a Mac Pro. I had a board that wasn't necessarily supported but through trial and error I was able to get it to work. I wanted to go to 3 monitors and my video card wouldn't support it, so I just went ahead and bought the Mac Pro. If you needed to build some machines that you don't necessarily care about updating (like some networked "macs" for compressor or rendering) then I think these would be great. I may end up building another one but I really can't justify it with a retina macbook pro. I don't game and that's the only reason I'd go back.
  - Zarel 12y ago
    I ran one for around three years before getting the Mac Pro, and it did everything I needed it to without problems. The only problem I was having was a hard drive corruption issue in OS X 10.8 and newer, which turned out to be a problem on my Mac Pro, too, until I finally realized the problem was with Apple's exFAT drivers and not with my hackintosh setup.
- adamors 12y ago
  Not the OP, but I built one based on one of these guides 2 years ago. The only problem I have is that once in a while (1-2 a month) the sound doesn't work after resuming from sleep. I have to reboot to get it back. Otherwise I don't have any issues. I'm running the latest Mavericks, could install updates etc.
  - vasac 12y ago
    I built a Yosemite based Hackintosh a few weeks ago and had a same problem except it occurred almost every time computer wakes up. Solution was to unload audio drivers before computer goes to sleep and then load them again when it wakes up. Somehow it works even when kext is in use and cannot be unloaded.
LarryMade2 12y ago
I think Apple doesn't worry too much, their best customers, aren't techies. They may get a hackintosh up, but if there’s any frustration they probably will just go and get an all-apple product, which will "just work". And that's the attraction of Macs.
- simonh 12y ago
  Quite. I seriously considered the Hackintosh route a few years ago and spent some time looking into what's involved, but in the end decided it wasn't worth it. One of the reasons I switched to the Mac was because I want something that just works - I was fed up with viruses and virus scanners, driver issues and such on windows. Linux wasn't an option for similar issues though I always have it handy in a VM. The problem for me is that while I think I'm perfectly capable of handling the technical issues with setting up a Hackintosh, the extra value of that customisability it's isn't there for me. I'd rather pay a few hundred quid more and have a solid, supported system than spend a few days of my time setting a machine up and then a few hours every few months fixing niggling issues. I fully understand why people with specific needs go the Hackintosh route, for them it's worth it. Maybe I'll be in that camp some day, but not for now. I suspect this is why Apple doesn't bother killing Hackintoshes. If people, are wiling to spend their own time and effort doing it, they're probably not going to instead spend the money with Apple. They are still paying a cost though, so that's the market in action. The alternative would be Apple spending Engineering effort fighting them. Again, that's not an efficient or economically useful way to spend that time and money.
sauce71 12y ago
Obviously Apple has outsmarted us again. I love my Hackintosh with the "free" OS X (That I have had the last year (Coming from MS). But ... I finally got a iPhone a few weeks ago and I have bought for me and my so and children in the last 3 years: 6 iPads, 4 iPhones, 1 MacBook Pro, 2 MacBook Airs and 2 Apple TV's. We are now totally entrenched in the Apple Ecosystem. I love how all my devices now play together. The next six months we will likely buy 1-2 new iPads, 1 iPhone 6, 2 iWatch, 1 Apple TV and possibly another MacBook. So ... As long as Apple do not have any reasonable priced / hackable desktop I think they will be very carefull to not make osX harder to run "unofficially" on Hackintoshes. I actually get a feeling they make it easier all the time ...
- jmnicolas 12y ago
  Wow you won the lottery ? I don't think I could ever afford these many devices in a lifetime !
analog31 12y ago
Apple may benefit from what amounts to a two tiered price structure. They make their money from their mainstream customers who pay full fare for Apple hardware and software. Meanwhile, giving OSX away for use on cheaper hardware supports their app developers while taking business away from potential competitors or innovators. To be fair, I also suspect that widespread piracy in the early days of personal computers actually contributed to Microsoft's monopoly by creating a price point that nobody could compete with.

m0th87 12y ago

Do these rigs break down with Apple patches or the like? Can I reasonably expect a setup now to work 5 years from now?

Washuu 12y ago
As long as a standard accepted configuration is used stuff tends to "just work". I have my Hackintosh identified as a MacPro3,1. Standards OS X maintenance releases upgrade just fine. I try to be careful with full OS upgrades which usually just involves waiting a month or so to see what problems people run into. Though, I do that even with official Apple hardware because inevitably there is some issue with official Apple hardware or software that ends up screwing me until fixes are pushed out. The only reason the hardware would stop working is if Apple drops the similar official hardware as being supported in a new release such as when they dropped 32-bit EFI support.
rickyc091 12y ago
It depends on the patch. If they introduce a patch to fix something say bluetooth or wifi, that patch could very well break it. If it breaks, you might have to hack it again to resolve the issues. Having a hackintosh myself, I think it's easier to just buy a mac and not worry about it. If you love tinkering / you have the time to deal with it, then by all means.
matthew-wegner 12y ago
I've been running a hack desktop as my main rig for a few years (10.7 -> 10.8 -> 10.9 -> 10.10). My hardware setup only requires a single 3rd-party kext (for networking), so it holds up super well with updates. I can patch dot releases with no trouble, and only need to do a full USB key install for major releases. I went hackintosh when the Mac Pro line had become stale. Today I would probably just suck it up and get a real Mac Pro if I was in the market for a new machine, to be honest. I've spent a lot of time on the initial setup and failed experiments and iMessage trouble and things. (Now I run my setup with a cloned serial/ROM/MLB/etc values from one of my real Macs that I took off iCloud, which solved all of my iMessage related troubles apparently permanently).

free652 12y ago

Personally I am a happy cow with my hackintosh able to drive 4k @ 60hz :-) GTX750/UP2414Q with Yosemite

ebiester 12y ago
Which monitor are you using?
- free652 12y ago
  Dell UP2414Q

zippergz 12y ago

Just quickly doing the math in my head, it seems like the Mini costs roughly the same as a real Mac Mini. So, what's the advantage of going the DIY route? I presume the price gap grows on the higher end systems?

jacquesm 12y ago
What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? For one I would assume that since it's built up from separate parts you can upgrade it at will, something you can't really do with a 'real' Mac Mini.
- berberous 12y ago
  I assume he means the much better support, much nicer case, higher resale value, etc.
  - morbius 12y ago
    "nicer case" is subjective, although I will agree that official Apple models do have far better support and far better resale value. That said, I don't think the average Hackintosher really cares about those things -- there's a reason why "hack" is in the name. It's a hacky and fun way to get OS X running on unofficially supported hardware, and I don't think support and resale value are high on a Hackintosher's priority list.
- UnoriginalGuy 12y ago
  > What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? Warranty and support. If Apple releases an update that breaks your Hackintosh then too bad, if Apple does it to your $100 more legit Mac Mini then you can moan at them if nothing else. I do, however, completely agree with the upgrade argument. Particularly with the latest gen' of Mac Mini which don't allow the RAM to be upgraded because greed.
  - FireBeyond 12y ago

dj-wonk 12y ago

This compares pricing of some Apple offerings versus their hackintosh counterparts: http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/05/how-much-money-will-hackintosh-save-you.html http://www.macbreaker.com/2012/05/how-much-money-will-hackin...

e40 12y ago
The "Mac Pro vs. CustoMac Pro Socket 2011" comparison is completely bogus, because the CustoMac has space for hard drives and the Mac Pro requires the purchase of an external bay that runs $1,500 to $2,500. That moves the base up to $4,500 and $5,500 for people that need more than 3 hard drives (me). Now you're talking $1,550 vs $5,500 and that is the precise reason I didn't buy a Mac Pro and I did build a hackintosh.

rrggrr 12y ago

Id like to find someone reputable to build one for me. Any volunteers?

leoh 12y ago
I have a few over the years. My email is my profile. Feel free to get in touch.
wuster 12y ago
I've built Hackintoshes since 10.7, but I would never offer to build one for friends and family, only because I know I'll be called upon to fix the inevitable problem during software updates. This is a social obligation I rather avoid, lest I become the "IT guy" for yet another dependent. My recommendation is - if you don't have the knowledge or patience to build one yourself, you should not ask one to be built for you, because it will break and you're gonna have an unproductive day/week while you wait for help to arrive. Not worth the headache and lost productivity. Hackintoshing should be strictly treated as a hobby.

cji 12y ago

I built one 3 years ago and have been mostly pleased. It's a pain that with every point release I have to re-apply the patches for my audio to work, and migrating to new OS X versions can be nerve-wracking, but tonymac's site is an outstanding resource to help you through the process.

lmz 12y ago

While I'm not saying it's not fun to try and run OS X on PC hardware, can anyone explain to me how this is not morally equivalent to unauthorized copying / software piracy, given that they are both violations of the license agreement?

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FireBeyond 12y ago
If you acquired the software legally, what then do you think? Now ask yourself this question if you legally purchased Oracle or MSSQL, and were evaluating for an application, testing, etc - and now I inform you that that's unauthorized, and Oracle's license forbids you from doing any form of benchmarking related to the database. Do you feel that you are being immoral to test your application?
- lmz 12y ago
  Are you saying that people purchased the software not knowing that the license agreement forbids you from running it on non-Apple hardware? There are even minimal protections in place to prevent it running on non-Apple hardware e.g. "Don't Steal Mac OS X.kext" http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter7/binaryprotection/ http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter7/binaryprotection/ so people can't just claim it magically worked on their PC when they installed it. To me what they are doing are no different from the people distributing cracked games with disabled copy protection.
- DanBC 12y ago
  Oracle licensing allows you to benchmark the software. You're not allowed to disclose the results without permission. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-uk-v111003-070670.pdf http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/olsa-uk-v111003-0... You may not: • remove or modify any program markings or any notice of Oracle’s proprietary rights; • make the programs or materials resulting from the services available in any manner to any third party for use in the third party’s business operations (unless such access is expressly permitted for the specific program license or materials from the services you have acquired); • cause or permit reverse engineering (unless required by law for interoperability), disassembly or decompilation of the programs; or • disclose results of any program benchmark tests without Oracle’s prior written consent.

jfroma 12y ago

I tried once but now I don't understand it. The main benefit for me using OSx is that is a nix desktop os that works well on a very specific hardware. Having used linux on the desktop before for years I always had some problem with drivers and alike. If I were willing to deal with these kind of issues I'd do it with some linux distribution not osx. I guess there are some cases like developing software for Apple os.

eropple 12y ago
I can only speak for myself, but I Hackintosh because I need more computrons than I can get in a retina MBP or a Mac mini and I'm not paying $5K for a Mac Pro. My desktop (a Nehalem i7 with a Radeon HD6870) is still competitive with every Mac they field, aside from that Pro, and I paid about a grand for it three years ago. Even aside from the lack of basically essential applications like Photoshop and Illustrator, I'd rather invest a little effort making OS X work than work every day in a Linux environment. The desktop experience, be it GNOME or KDE or XFCE, is at best lukewarm and usually leaves me asking in vain why this software hates me and wants me to waste my time.
- wuster 12y ago
  Same here, I run a spec that Apple simply won't sell me. The moment they sell me a computer that's user upgradable over time and allows me to choose the monitors (no glare, please) that fit my needs, I'll say TAKE MY MONEY! My Hackintosh built in 2012 for less than $800, it has: - Core i5 3.4 GHz (still competitive with Mac CPU specs sold in 2014 and into 2015) - GeForce GT 640 with 2 x DVI + 1 x HDMI for a triple monitor setup (much better than anything in Mac Minis and some iMacs) - 2 SSD drives for main OS - 2 x 3TB magnetic drives (sync'ed to Amazon Glacier) Note that two years after my initial build, faster CPU options and graphics cards can be swapped in with incremental upgrades as my requirements increase. I'll post separately in this thread tomorrow about my recommendations and experience running this machine, but it's hands down the best Mac money can't buy, with room to grow. I don't do it because I don't want to give Apple my money, I have to do it because Apple won't take my money. - P.S. IMO, Hackintosh only makes sense for desktops. While the various methods could get it to work for laptops, no manufacturer comes close to Apple's build quality. That trackpad is just amazing.

TazeTSchnitzel 12y ago

It's worth noting that this site, TonyMacx86, isn't well-liked by some of the Hackintosh community, because they plagiarise and rebrand software and drivers helpful or necessary in Hackintosh setup. The guide may be useful, but please get your setup tools from the original sources. My main source for this is conversations I've had in IRC, but it's also been noted elsewhere.[0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] Also, apparently they have weird anti-piracy measures on their software... software which they stole from others![9] If you want Hackintosh install software which isn't stolen, I suggest myHack: http://myhack.sojugarden.com/ http://myhack.sojugarden.com/ (I'm unaffiliated with it, but I've used it and I've had it recommended to me.) Unfortunately, myHack is now proprietary, because the author has had their code stolen in the past. It is, however, freeware. [0] http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/ http://prasys.info/2011/01/tonymac-seriously/ [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/17cb3x/have_any_other_people_new_to_osx86_hacking_found/c850t3a http://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/17cb3x/have_any_... [2] http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/gigabyte-uefi-bios-perfect-fit-for.html?showComment=1370171495963#c6546710102114784135 http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/gigabyte-uefi-bi... [3] http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/626-d620-help/ http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/626-d620-help/ [4] http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3558672 http://archives.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3... [5] http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?32906-ASUS-UEFI-vBIOS-tool-for-GTX-600-series-cards!-It-s-Here!&s=379a275a55d98d9b86e048febc56885e&p=294927&viewfull=1#post294927 http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?32906-ASUS-UEFI-vBI... [6] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8468789 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8468789 (HN post, turn on showdead) [7] https://twitter.com/Zackehh9lives/status/337548817513717760 https://twitter.com/Zackehh9lives/status/337548817513717760 [8] http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/3593-myhack-vs-unibeast/?p=25760 http://forum.osxlatitude.com/index.php?/topic/3593-myhack-vs... [9] https://web.archive.org/web/20130215124559/http://tkware.info/2013/01/27/hypocrisy-thy-name-is-tonymacx86/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130215124559/http://tkware.inf...

hapless 12y ago
I don't think anyone is surprised when a software piracy site doesn't have careful copyright attributions for all of its piracy tools.

judk 12y ago

Those parts links need a List Link to easily view each bundle together on newegg/ amazon.

hapless 12y ago

Your karma check for today: There once was was a user that whined his existing OS was so blind, he'd do better to pirate an OS that ran great but found his hardware declined. Please don't steal Mac OS! Really, that's way uncool. (C) Apple Computer, Inc. (from a low page written in memory when Don't Steal Mac OS X.kext is loaded)

wuster 12y ago
Apple is rolling in cash from the 20+ Macs/iPhones/iPods I've personally owned or got from work over the years, I don't feel a tinge of guilt, I'm probably one of their best lifetime customers.

lokeshk 12y ago

After a bit of brain storming between mac and hackintosh, I eventually decided to buy a mac mini 2012. I agree that the site appears very convincing, but I wonder if it's worth putting the effort to build a system that may or may not work 5 years from now. I took the cheapest mac mini 2012, $499 at BHPhoto, and upgraded the RAM to 16 GB, and HDD to 512 SSD. Couldn't be happier! I can see this device working 5 years from now.

orbifold 12y ago
The installation is by now very straightforward, if you have for example Gigabyte board and standard components. In 2012 I bought a i7-3770, 8gb ram, nvidia gtx 680, gigabyte-z77-d3h and 256 SSD. On such hardware all it takes is readjusting some BIOS settings (turn on AHCI, disable Intel Vd) and maybe install a ethernet driver and sound driver. I'm pretty sure an equivalent iMac would have been significantly more expensive, than what I paid then.
- lokeshk 12y ago
  I agree - the front cost is not as high as it used to be. Although, the maintenance cost is probably high which is what I was hinting to in my comment. How has your experience been around upgrades in the last two years? The apps like iMessage check BIOS to ensure that it's apple hardware that they are running on. And between upgrades, those things can potentially change. How many adjustments have you had to make along the way?

obviouslygreen 12y ago

There are two fairly consistent benefits to running OS X: 1. It usually comes installed on great hardware. 2. It's less vulnerable to most things than Windows. Beyond that, if you choose to build a Hackintosh, in my opinion you (for whatever reason) enjoy OS X enough to depend on it but don't like Apple enough to run their OS without paying their hardware premium (entirely understandable from the price perspective but a little illogical if you take it a bit further). Frankly, I can't see any reason for the Hackintosh middle ground other than people who can't cope without the OS but can't afford the hardware. The software is little more than a neutered and compromised version of BSD that lets you part way into a walled garden (cue It's a trap! meme). Granted: There's also the requirement of a Mac for iOS development... but guess what? You're still stuck with the developer program membership fee. Save $500 here, lose $100 a year there, along with probably being in violation of half a dozen usage limitations.

oe 12y ago
First, I don't think Apple hardware is expensive when you compare it to other machines with similar specs. The reason for building my own Hackintosh was mostly getting a machine that was good for gaming (a powerful GPU). It wasn't about saving money, as the same money would have bought a decent iMac, but using that money better.
- zaphoyd 12y ago
  I'd second this. In general, Apple hardware is not terribly expensive for what you get (assuming that you don't value things like software, industrial design, power efficiency, noise, compactness at zero because you personally are not interested in them). A Hackintosh lets you get combinations of hardware that Apple doesn't sell. It also lets you add or remove features that Apple doesn't offer on any model such as replaceable components and large/loud/inefficient machines. In many cases this does end up being cheaper because you are purposely choosing to use fewer or lower quality components.
Gracana 12y ago
The benefit I get from running OS X is "a unix-y system that is beautiful and maintenance-free." No worrying about drivers, sound systems, display managers, fonts and hinting systems. People who write software for this system tend to care deeply about adhering to the HIG. All of the ugly problems I run into with linux distributions are taken care of in OS X. If I had money, I'd buy a real mac. But I don't, and this option is as easy as (and way more appealing than) running something like Ubuntu.

edelans 12y ago

I would love to see such a list for linux distros !

calimac 12y ago

Tonymacx86 = a glorified Amazon Affiliate blog. Dude is all about driving traffic to his amazon affiliate account. brilliant. I can't complain because the site has helped me from time to time. Tonymac has been good for the overall main streaming of the hackintosh movement. Back when OSx was $20 he forced the app store purchase (good i guess)