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In case you think this is no big deal, here's the updated list of Fortune 500 CEOs who are openly gay: Tim Cook

by Bud 12y ago

exodust 12y ago
It's a big deal because you made a list?
- pkfrank 12y ago
  Because the list evidences that Tim Cook is the ONLY openly gay CEO of a Fortune 500 company (and he happens to be at the head of #5).
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    and I am still trying to figure the importance of this fact. We are not under a quota are? Or is that yet? Really, whats with the identity politics? The only reason to put forward such effort to make it important is because the practice of identity politics is too moot any opposition by branding it all within the identity of the being criticized. Hence someone cannot complain about a policy of the current President because the only reason they do so is racism. Hence if you do not support the position of someone who happens to be gay well you are now a homophobe. Lists solve nothing and reveal little.
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adventured 12y ago
What does being openly gay mean exactly? And how do you know there aren't others on the list? About 2% of people self-identify as gay. So 10 people on that 500 list are likely to be gay, give or take. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/07/15/what-percentage-of-the-u-s-population-is-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014... Is your theory that the remaining nine should issue press releases? How do you know others aren't openly gay with the only people that matter: friends, family, loved ones; as opposed to feeling the need to broadcast it to the media. Straight people don't go around declaring their sexuality, nor ever feel the need to. Gay people shouldn't feel the need to either. That is a critical hallmark of equality. Do I have to email the press to declare that I'm openly gay and running a Fortune 500 company? Should I declare that I'm openly straight and running a Fortune 500 company? It's an absurd premise, and it presumes that we all need to be declaring our sexuality. That another person has a right to know my sexual orientation. It's not only false but disgusting.
- mdavidn 12y ago
  About 50% of people self-identify as female. Why are there only 26 female CEOs in the 500?
  - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
    Women are 97 percent of preschool and kindergarten teachers, 80 percent of social workers, 82 percent of librarians and 92 percent of dietitians and nutritionists and registered nurses. Is that a problem too?
    - alexbecker 12y ago
      The usual answer is "yes", but am I correct in assuming you think it's "no"?
      - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
        I don't know. I don't think so ~ what's the rationale? How do you know that perfect equality presents as perfectly equal percentages of any given profession? I wonder what the ratio of male/female food servers is? If they are roughly equal, would you say we have true equality among food servers or is something else going on?
        alexbecker 12y ago
        > How do you know that perfect equality presents as perfectly equal percentages of any given profession? It almost certainly does not present as "perfectly equal percentages", but such radically unequal percentages are at least suspicious, especially because the professions you listed pay unusually poorly compared to jobs of similar skill and education levels.
        exodust 12y ago
        Exactly. Stepping back a bit, in nature there are all sorts of variation and swings in numbers from one characteristic to another. Nobody wants women to be pushed out by force or denied opportunity to reach their deserved position. But is that really happening whenever we see more of one gender in a particular role than another? I don't think so. I remember in highschool (20 years ago), only 2 girls were in my electronics class. Those 2 girls were not given any special treatment, or picked on, or anything. It was simply how the cards fell for that class due to most girls in the school NOT being interested in electronics. I suppose we could've started a campaign designed to attract more "women in electronics". Okay, but they were never unwelcome in the first place. They simply didn't enrol in that course.
notacoward 12y ago
Thank you for putting that in context. "No big deal" was my first thought too, but that's only because of the context in which I live. In his context it still is a big deal.

In case you think this is no big deal, here's the updated list of Fortune 500 CEOs who are openly gay: Tim Cook

by Bud 12y ago

In case you think this is no big deal, here's the updated list of Fortune 500 CEOs who are openly gay: Tim Cook

exodust 12y ago

It's a big deal because you made a list?

pkfrank 12y ago
Because the list evidences that Tim Cook is the ONLY openly gay CEO of a Fortune 500 company (and he happens to be at the head of #5).
- Shivetya 12y ago
  and I am still trying to figure the importance of this fact. We are not under a quota are? Or is that yet? Really, whats with the identity politics? The only reason to put forward such effort to make it important is because the practice of identity politics is too moot any opposition by branding it all within the identity of the being criticized. Hence someone cannot complain about a policy of the current President because the only reason they do so is racism. Hence if you do not support the position of someone who happens to be gay well you are now a homophobe. Lists solve nothing and reveal little.
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adventured 12y ago

What does being openly gay mean exactly? And how do you know there aren't others on the list? About 2% of people self-identify as gay. So 10 people on that 500 list are likely to be gay, give or take. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/07/15/what-percentage-of-the-u-s-population-is-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014... Is your theory that the remaining nine should issue press releases? How do you know others aren't openly gay with the only people that matter: friends, family, loved ones; as opposed to feeling the need to broadcast it to the media. Straight people don't go around declaring their sexuality, nor ever feel the need to. Gay people shouldn't feel the need to either. That is a critical hallmark of equality. Do I have to email the press to declare that I'm openly gay and running a Fortune 500 company? Should I declare that I'm openly straight and running a Fortune 500 company? It's an absurd premise, and it presumes that we all need to be declaring our sexuality. That another person has a right to know my sexual orientation. It's not only false but disgusting.

mdavidn 12y ago
About 50% of people self-identify as female. Why are there only 26 female CEOs in the 500?
- WorldWideWayne 12y ago
  Women are 97 percent of preschool and kindergarten teachers, 80 percent of social workers, 82 percent of librarians and 92 percent of dietitians and nutritionists and registered nurses. Is that a problem too?
  - alexbecker 12y ago
    The usual answer is "yes", but am I correct in assuming you think it's "no"?
    - WorldWideWayne 12y ago
      I don't know. I don't think so ~ what's the rationale? How do you know that perfect equality presents as perfectly equal percentages of any given profession? I wonder what the ratio of male/female food servers is? If they are roughly equal, would you say we have true equality among food servers or is something else going on?
      - alexbecker 12y ago
        > How do you know that perfect equality presents as perfectly equal percentages of any given profession? It almost certainly does not present as "perfectly equal percentages", but such radically unequal percentages are at least suspicious, especially because the professions you listed pay unusually poorly compared to jobs of similar skill and education levels.
      - exodust 12y ago
        Exactly. Stepping back a bit, in nature there are all sorts of variation and swings in numbers from one characteristic to another. Nobody wants women to be pushed out by force or denied opportunity to reach their deserved position. But is that really happening whenever we see more of one gender in a particular role than another? I don't think so. I remember in highschool (20 years ago), only 2 girls were in my electronics class. Those 2 girls were not given any special treatment, or picked on, or anything. It was simply how the cards fell for that class due to most girls in the school NOT being interested in electronics. I suppose we could've started a campaign designed to attract more "women in electronics". Okay, but they were never unwelcome in the first place. They simply didn't enrol in that course.

notacoward 12y ago

Thank you for putting that in context. "No big deal" was my first thought too, but that's only because of the context in which I live. In his context it still is a big deal.