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Anyone know how this would work in Germany? They're incredibly strict on torrents here (you can torrent one movie and get a letter in the mail 2 weeks later). T

by afro88 12y ago

Anyone know how this would work in Germany? They're incredibly strict on torrents here (you can torrent one movie and get a letter in the mail 2 weeks later). This seems like it would be a nice workaround... While it lasts

jagermo 12y ago
It would work - however, I guess you mean: "Will I stay anonymous and/or not upload anything, so the movie industry will not send their goons/laywers after me." I'd say no.
- kuschku 12y ago
  The idea is that streaming can never be illegal under current german laws, so if the server is just handing an mp4 to the client, then it’s perfectly legal.
  - jagermo 12y ago
    yes, but what if they get a hold of the IP logs of the Joker-server? They'd probably send out cease and desist letters just to scare people. I would not use it if I'd fear to be discovered.
hobofan 12y ago
If you stream it through your browser, they still have the same IP, which is used to identify you. As for prosecution of torrent seeders, that's not really possible anymore IIRC, since the "Vorratsdatenspeicherung" (= stockpile saving of which IP address has been connect to which landline, in case it is needed for law enforcement) has been declared illegal. AFAIK movie torrents were never really monitored, the focus was always on the latest music releases. I also haven't heard of any fines for torrenting in the last 2-3 years, but that might be because I'm not really in that age anymore.
- memorion 12y ago
  They can have your IP but just streaming itself isn't illegal in Germany and since you actually don't personally seed the content here you might just be ok.
rglullis 12y ago
You can leech in Germany just fine. Legally, the problem here is only in uploading the content. Or if you want to be extra careful, use a VPN. ipredator is reasonably good, and you get an IP number from Sweden so you can also bypass all the GEMA crap.
atmosx 12y ago
I can think more ways to circumvent that system than I can count. I'm in CZ now and the Pirate-Bay has this banner[1] might be a good start. [1] https://www.frootvpn.com https://www.frootvpn.com

by afro88 12y ago

jagermo 12y ago

It would work - however, I guess you mean: "Will I stay anonymous and/or not upload anything, so the movie industry will not send their goons/laywers after me." I'd say no.

kuschku 12y ago
The idea is that streaming can never be illegal under current german laws, so if the server is just handing an mp4 to the client, then it’s perfectly legal.
- jagermo 12y ago
  yes, but what if they get a hold of the IP logs of the Joker-server? They'd probably send out cease and desist letters just to scare people. I would not use it if I'd fear to be discovered.

hobofan 12y ago

If you stream it through your browser, they still have the same IP, which is used to identify you. As for prosecution of torrent seeders, that's not really possible anymore IIRC, since the "Vorratsdatenspeicherung" (= stockpile saving of which IP address has been connect to which landline, in case it is needed for law enforcement) has been declared illegal. AFAIK movie torrents were never really monitored, the focus was always on the latest music releases. I also haven't heard of any fines for torrenting in the last 2-3 years, but that might be because I'm not really in that age anymore.

memorion 12y ago
They can have your IP but just streaming itself isn't illegal in Germany and since you actually don't personally seed the content here you might just be ok.

rglullis 12y ago

You can leech in Germany just fine. Legally, the problem here is only in uploading the content. Or if you want to be extra careful, use a VPN. ipredator is reasonably good, and you get an IP number from Sweden so you can also bypass all the GEMA crap.

atmosx 12y ago

I can think more ways to circumvent that system than I can count. I'm in CZ now and the Pirate-Bay has this banner[1] might be a good start. [1] https://www.frootvpn.com https://www.frootvpn.com