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For those that might have an interest in the real UFO phenomenon and serious investigations into the matter: 1) 2001 Disclosure project: http://www.youtube.com

• acqq 12y ago
  To balance those links to videos, a text from "the other" point of view: http://badufos.blogspot.co.at/2013/04/that-citizen-hearing-on-ufo-disclosure.html http://badufos.blogspot.co.at/2013/04/that-citizen-hearing-o... "To lobby for "disclosure" implies that there is something to "disclose," which is highly dubious. And to hold a valid "hearing" implies that witnesses are queried under oath, which of course will not be the case, leaving them free to fabricate as much as they please without fear of repercussions. The five former members of Congress are being paid a reported $20,000 each by Paradigm to participate in this circus." For some other views, see my other comments here.
  • adeptus 12y ago
    I stopped reading at .."To lobby for disclosure implies that there is something to disclose, which is highly dubious."... just like how it was highly dubious that the NSA wasn't spying on everyone, right? come on. This thing, if it's real is 100 times BIGGER than any previous government scandal - all the more reason to not disclose it (yes I know, circular argument). But the proper counter arguement is to watch the 2001 Disclosure video - in there you have dozens of Ex-military, NASA and US government employees (many of them high ranking) ready and willing to testify before congress on the matter. Think about it, admitting aliens exist and are visiting us means: 1) They likely know how to travel across entire galaxies in their life-times (likely hours/days) 2) They have invisibility technology: UFOs are often reported to appear out of thin air and disappear back into thin air. 3) Their propulsion technologies completely baffle us. Tens of thousands of UFO witnesses (including many hundreds confirmed on radar) have reported to have travelled thousands of miles per second, to then stop on a dime or do 90 degree turns and carry on as if gravity could be ignored. 4) If even a single abduction story is real, they have the ability to paralyze any human being and teleport them through walls and ceilings. They also have the ability to find any single human anywhere on Earth as many self-confessed abductees have reported they tried to move across the country, yet the aliens always found them and just continued abducting them. It also begs to question their agenda and morality - WTF are they doing with humans they abduct? 5) If any of the military UFO stories are real, they can out maneuver every single fighter jet humanity has ever created - exactly zero UFOs have been shot down by military planes, despite hundreds of chases having been documented by pilots and radar operators. Roswell UFO crash is rumored to have been taken down by experimental military radar tests, not intentional military weapons. 6) Consider for a moment aliens are real and they are thousands of years more technologically advanced than us. What can we do about it? Nothing - we can do exactly nothing. Our "powerful" government leaders and best militaries would be exactly powerless to do anything. It would be full-on wide-spread global panic. My personal theory is that given how vast the Universe is, it is entirely possible that some (millions?) planets were formed before Earth and at least many dozens/hundreds/thousands (?) evolved life to the point of human intelligence or greater, THOUSANDS of years before humans ever walked our Earth. This would translate to there being X number of alien civilizations out there far more advanced than humans technologically and more than likely biologically advanced (think brain power x 100+). Consider how we've gone from horse and carriage to putting a man on the moon and creating space crafts that can travel 20,000 km/hour (in space) in a mere 300 years. Now imagine the capabilities (if you can) of what an alien species only 10,000 years more advanced than us might have. What about 100,000 years? 1 Million ? Their technology would be like magic to us - completely unimaginable ... you know like travelling across entire galaxies in mere hours, teleporting through walls, having invisible craft, shooting paralyzing beams, erasing memories of (some) human abductees etc. Why is it so hard to imagine and believe that other intelligent civilizations on other planets exist and that they might be thousands if not millions of years ahead of us?
    • correcthorse 12y ago
      So they already admitted it. Why is nobody doing anything about it? What's the next step after learning aliens exist?
    • ceejayoz 12y ago
      > Now imagine the capabilities (if you can) of what an alien species only 10,000 years more advanced than us might have. What about 100,000 years? 1 Million ? Their technology would be like magic to us - completely unimaginable ... you know like travelling across entire galaxies in mere hours, teleporting through walls, having invisible craft, shooting paralyzing beams, erasing memories of (some) human abductees etc. And yet, they use technology that's similar to what the current era's science fiction talks about, use all that power to anally probe redneck farmers and abduct people from the woods, and they can't even get the memory wipes right all the time.
      • acqq 12y ago
        Actually, there was a force which did abduct the people and forced them to do different things: http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias-secret-lsd-experiments-on-america/ http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/23/the-legacy-of-the-cias... It turns out, it was funded by the taxpayers! The victims most probably preferred to tell they were abducted by "aliens."
    • krapp 12y ago
      >Why is it so hard to imagine and believe that other intelligent civilizations on other planets exist and that they might be thousands if not millions of years ahead of us? It isn't. Why is it so hard to understand that the likely existence of life in the universe and the credibility of the UFO/abduction phenomenon are completely unrelated? Given the vastness of the universe, there could be empires spanning millions of worlds across a distant galaxy, and they could still be completely unaware of our existence, and we of theirs.
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• api 12y ago
  The "disclosure" movement is not the most credible source on this, even among those who take UFOs very seriously. The heads of this movement are complete crackpots. Unfortunately they've taken some otherwise very interesting testimony from credible people and harmed their credibility by linking it with nonsense.
  • adeptus 12y ago
    I some what agree on that. I don't subscribe to Mr. Greer's overly optimistic perspectives on aliens, to say nothing of his meditation group meetings and incessant and obnoxious name dropping in nearly all his speeches. Still, the guy has managed to steer UFOlogy to some level of public credibility. Gotta learn how to not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
• bluetidepro 12y ago
  Thanks for posting those. Very interesting stuff.