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Apple Event October 2014 Live Stream

55 points by qnk 12y ago

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DannyBee 12y ago
I wonder if gruber's secret plans for apple watch will make an appearance
thedangler 12y ago
Alternative streaming links?
- kmfrk 12y ago
  Apple TV, wonder whether there's a dedicated app that can be used for iOS like with WWDC. I think TWiT do live commentary or something.
  - borkt 12y ago
    Yeah they just irrelevant jokes and laugh at each other so you can't actually hear what is going on. They have really gone downhill with their live coverage.
pkallberg 12y ago
Hopefully no Chinese voiceover this time :)
sidcool 12y ago
Same old question. How in the world do I watch it on a Windows PC?
- pkallberg 12y ago
  Looks like VLC is the way to go - try this: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-watch-apples-ipad-event-windows-pc/ http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-watch-apples-ipad-event-w... Direct link: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...
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- grecy 12y ago
  Someone will post a VLC streaming link shortly.. hold tight
- ynniv 12y ago
  http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-oct-16-ipadmac-event-on-windows/ http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-oct-16-ipa...
clamprecht 12y ago
Does anyone know if there is a technical reason they make this Safari-only?
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- ynniv 12y ago
  The other platforms want people to use a more complicated streaming format?
  - ynniv 12y ago
    I guess the sarcasm isn't appreciated, but HLS is a simple enough protocol that an intern could implement it. It trades latency for cacheability, which greatly reduces broadcasting costs. The only obvious reasons to not support it are political.
- eknkc 12y ago
  Uses HLS
- ne0phyte 12y ago
  They want you to buy a current gen device so you can watch what you can buy in a couple of weeks.
- squigs25 12y ago
  This creates a social class system surrounding Apple products - only those who are privileged enough to be on the Apple ecosystem are allowed to watch Apple events. While they could definitely make all of their events streamable on a wide variety of devices, this tactic makes everyone not in the ecosystem feel as though they've been let down by the technology which they own. It also ensures that the audience is more Apple-centric, and the first to hear the conference lectures will already be biased in favor of Apple given that they are already Apple users.
  - brymaster 12y ago
sogen 12y ago
Ars Technica Liveblog, always a nice source: http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-event/ http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-eve...
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tlo 12y ago
MacRumors Live Coverage: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/16/october-2014-event-live/ http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/16/october-2014-event-live/
squidi 12y ago
http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pounqefvoiubefvpiub10/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pounqefvo... for VLC Windows users
_mikz 12y ago
Its magical.
rikkus 12y ago
"6x faster than other browsers at typical JavaScript on websites." Bold claim. http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-event/images/IMG_0250.JPG http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-eve... Would be interesting to know what the technology is behind this (if the claim is even half true).
- Artemis2 12y ago
  That's very bold, but also pretty vague given the "average website" mention. I doubt Apple has more developers working on Safari than Google has on V8.
  - Zikes 12y ago
    Safari is able to cheat by interfacing more with the OS than V8, which has to be able to run on more platforms. It's the same reason IE beats it out in certain benchmarks.
    - DannyBee 12y ago
      To be honest, this makes near 0 difference in javascript performance, which is entirely good codegen (and making things like DOM traversal really fast). In fact, for average website javascript, the fastest "not horrible" codegen will win, because they run for such short times.
- stock_toaster 12y ago
  > Would be interesting to know what the technology is behind this (if the claim is even half true). I was thinking maybe the WebKit FTL JIT[1], but that had a claimed 35% increase in performance though.... [1]: https://www.webkit.org/blog/3362/introducing-the-webkit-ftl-jit/ https://www.webkit.org/blog/3362/introducing-the-webkit-ftl-...
- bhouston 12y ago
  It is FTL Jit? http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/05/safari-webkit-javascript-llvm http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/05/safari-webkit-javascript-l... https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/FTLJIT https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/FTLJIT Or is it something else?
benaiah 12y ago
Air-gap elimination in the iPad Air 2 should make this much better at use in sunlight - there's a claimed 56% reduction in reflections.
wmblaettler 12y ago
Also live blogged here: http://live.theverge.com/apple-ipad-live-blog/ http://live.theverge.com/apple-ipad-live-blog/
berberous 12y ago
How does single image HDR work?
- fudged71 12y ago
  With access to the RAW pixel information they can artificially under- and over-exposure then map those into an HDR image.
- potatolicious 12y ago
  Your screen (and popular image formats) are 8-bits per color channel. Modern digital sensors can do 12-14 bits of useful data per color channel typically (16 for the really high end stuff). To even save or display the image from these sensors you'd have to compress the 12/14-bit color range into 8-bit anyways. Single-image HDR is simply the ability to tweak this transform to your benefit.
joemaller1 12y ago
The signal-to-noise ratio in this event is terrible so far.
epmatsw 12y ago
Hmm. iPad Mini, iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Air, and iPad Air 2. Wasn't one of the key insights that Steve Jobs had when he returned to Apple that they had too many variations of their products with no obvious differentiation? As much as I love their products, it seems like they're rapidly slipping back down that slope...
- tvon 12y ago
  Eh, I can see that argument with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+, but in this case we're just talking about keeping older products alive at a lower price point.
- Steko 12y ago
  iPod Classic, iPod Mini, iPod Nano, iPod Shuffle, iPod Touch...
  - epmatsw 12y ago
    I guess the counter argument to that would be that those products are all clearly differentiated by their names and appearances. The iPad Mini 1-3 all look identical barring close inspection, and their names give no indication of what the differences are other than that one has a higher number.
    - r00fus 12y ago
      Perhaps that was a luxury offered by the fact that the iPod had no meaningful competitors to speak of (and would be strong today if Apple hadn't cannibalized the product line). Also, today cases and accessories rely on Apple form factor as a platform on which to build - and that's a huge market, and important for consumers and 3rd party vendors... I'd like to think my iPhone6 case (if I owned a 6) would fit the next year's model. iPod nano with 5 different form factors in 8 years? Ain't nobody got time for dat no more.
  - aikah 12y ago
    There was a clear difference between these products,despite the "iPod" label. Can you mix an Nano with a Classic ? A shuffle with a touch ? now ask most people the difference between an iPad Air and another iPad Air 2 ? touch id ? really ?
Steko 12y ago
27" Retina iMac at 5120x2880 which they are calling "5K" edit: Dell previewed a similar screen last month[1] a "world first" but won't ship til December (5K iMac shipping today if I heard right?). No price on Dell screen, rumor was $2,500 but Apple's throwing in a computer for the same price so I doubt that will hold up. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8272702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8272702
- seanmcdirmid 12y ago
  Finally. Really, I'll probably buy this, but it's more important that it takes desktop computing is finally moving on from ridiculous low res displays.
  - Steko 12y ago
    I didn't see a mention that it's 60 Hz yet but we'll see.
    - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
      Custom timing processor, I would guess so. $2499, wow, I wonder what it wil be in rmb.
  - slantyyz 12y ago
    >> ridiculous low res displays. Like many people, my vision took a hit when I turned 40, so I have to disagree with that statement. While YMMV, 1080p on a 27" monitor is not ridiculously low res for the average person. Anything between 100-130 dpi is more than fine enough with me at my viewing distances. Speaking only for my use case -- when I'm doing work, I'd prefer a >= 4K resolution that gives me more real estate over one that gives me denser pixels, which is why I would choose a 40" 4K monitor over a 28" 4K monitor, because the pixels on the smaller monitor are simply wasted on my aging eyes. To me, the main beneficiaries of the new 5K iMac are designers and people who work with (or care a lot about) video and photography. I left gamers out of the list, because I don't know if the R9 M290X is actually powerful enough to drive a game at native res at 60fps.
tvon 12y ago
mhm, no stand-alone display? I'd get one of those, not getting an iMac though.
- josho 12y ago
  I'm sure that will come when the MacBooks have the power to drive a 5k display.
- zwily 12y ago
  Look for new MBPs with Thunderbolt 3 next year, along with a Thunderbolt 5k display.
- hamstergene 12y ago
  I don't think one is even possible until Intel releases Thunderbolt 3. Transferring True-color 5120x2880 at 60 fps requires at least 25GBit/s connection, and no existing connections (on shipped computers) can handle that. The best ones currently are Thunderbolt 2 with 20 GBps, and DisplayPort 1.2 with 17GBps. Only just a few weeks ago, DisplayPort 1.3 was released, which tops 32Gbps, and upcoming Thunderbolt 3 is promising 40 Gbps. Those two are finally making honest-60fps 27" Retina Display possible, so it should not be long until we see one. (Though of course that will require Apple to update all Macs with Thunderbolt 3 or DP 1.3 ports first)
jasode 12y ago
>New iMac with Retina 5K starts at $2499. That's an enticing price if Anandtech's guess[1] of $2500 for the (yet unreleased) Dell 5120x2880 monitor is accurate. The Dell display doesn't include a Mac computer inside it. If Dell had to recalibrate its price in response to Apple's announcement, would it be something like $1899 street price? EDIT to add: I find it interesting to compare this new display announcement to the CinemaDisplay 10 years ago. When Apple debuted the 30" 2560x1600 CinemaDisplay in June 2004, no other major manufacturer had a comparable display. Dell didn't introduce their 2560x1600 3007WFP until January 2006. Apple was the only player for that high resolution and that strength was reflected in the price: $3299. It stayed at that price for over a year (Apple finally lowered it to $2499 in October 2005). Today, Dell announced their 5k monitor 6 weeks before Apple. I guess it's getting harder and harder these days for Apple to create products that catches their competitors else off guard. [1]http://www.anandtech.com/show/8496/dell-previews-27inch-5k-ultrasharp-monitor-5120x2880 http://www.anandtech.com/show/8496/dell-previews-27inch-5k-u...
- pdabbadabba 12y ago
  Am I the only one who, when he sees the side shot of the Apple product line up [http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/18387/DSC_0773.jpg http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/183...] just sees the word: "oil!"? Edit: For all those down-modders out there, I suppose I should clarify that I'm not making any sort of environmental point. (Though I suppose a person might.) I own several Apple products myself (and probably soon a few more) and while I think the tech/consumer-electronics industry has a lot of work to do to even approach sustainability, I don't think there's any reason to single Apple out for criticism. I am a bit surprised, though, that nobody at Apple thought writing out the word "oil" with their products was a bad idea given their past troubles with Greenpeace.
hayksaakian 12y ago
New Mac Mini @ 499$ lowers the barrier to entry for mac/ios development. (Yes there was always the resale market, but apple is driving down the price overall. You won't find a used mac mini over 499)
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DannyBee 12y ago

I wonder if gruber's secret plans for apple watch will make an appearance

thedangler 12y ago

Alternative streaming links?

kmfrk 12y ago
Apple TV, wonder whether there's a dedicated app that can be used for iOS like with WWDC. I think TWiT do live commentary or something.
- borkt 12y ago
  Yeah they just irrelevant jokes and laugh at each other so you can't actually hear what is going on. They have really gone downhill with their live coverage.

pkallberg 12y ago

Hopefully no Chinese voiceover this time :)

sidcool 12y ago

Same old question. How in the world do I watch it on a Windows PC?

pkallberg 12y ago
Looks like VLC is the way to go - try this: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-watch-apples-ipad-event-windows-pc/ http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-watch-apples-ipad-event-w... Direct link: http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpvkjnfvpijhabdfvpijbadfv09/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...
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grecy 12y ago
Someone will post a VLC streaming link shortly.. hold tight
ynniv 12y ago
http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-oct-16-ipadmac-event-on-windows/ http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-oct-16-ipa...

clamprecht 12y ago

Does anyone know if there is a technical reason they make this Safari-only?

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ynniv 12y ago
The other platforms want people to use a more complicated streaming format?
- ynniv 12y ago
  I guess the sarcasm isn't appreciated, but HLS is a simple enough protocol that an intern could implement it. It trades latency for cacheability, which greatly reduces broadcasting costs. The only obvious reasons to not support it are political.
eknkc 12y ago
Uses HLS
ne0phyte 12y ago
They want you to buy a current gen device so you can watch what you can buy in a couple of weeks.
squigs25 12y ago
This creates a social class system surrounding Apple products - only those who are privileged enough to be on the Apple ecosystem are allowed to watch Apple events. While they could definitely make all of their events streamable on a wide variety of devices, this tactic makes everyone not in the ecosystem feel as though they've been let down by the technology which they own. It also ensures that the audience is more Apple-centric, and the first to hear the conference lectures will already be biased in favor of Apple given that they are already Apple users.
- brymaster 12y ago

sogen 12y ago

Ars Technica Liveblog, always a nice source: http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-event/ http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-eve...

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tlo 12y ago

MacRumors Live Coverage: http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/16/october-2014-event-live/ http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/16/october-2014-event-live/

squidi 12y ago

http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pounqefvoiubefvpiub10/m3u8/atv_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pounqefvo... for VLC Windows users

_mikz 12y ago

Its magical.

rikkus 12y ago

"6x faster than other browsers at typical JavaScript on websites." Bold claim. http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-event/images/IMG_0250.JPG http://live.arstechnica.com/apples-october-16-2014-media-eve... Would be interesting to know what the technology is behind this (if the claim is even half true).

Artemis2 12y ago
That's very bold, but also pretty vague given the "average website" mention. I doubt Apple has more developers working on Safari than Google has on V8.
- Zikes 12y ago
  Safari is able to cheat by interfacing more with the OS than V8, which has to be able to run on more platforms. It's the same reason IE beats it out in certain benchmarks.
  - DannyBee 12y ago
    To be honest, this makes near 0 difference in javascript performance, which is entirely good codegen (and making things like DOM traversal really fast). In fact, for average website javascript, the fastest "not horrible" codegen will win, because they run for such short times.
stock_toaster 12y ago
> Would be interesting to know what the technology is behind this (if the claim is even half true). I was thinking maybe the WebKit FTL JIT[1], but that had a claimed 35% increase in performance though.... [1]: https://www.webkit.org/blog/3362/introducing-the-webkit-ftl-jit/ https://www.webkit.org/blog/3362/introducing-the-webkit-ftl-...
bhouston 12y ago
It is FTL Jit? http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/05/safari-webkit-javascript-llvm http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/05/safari-webkit-javascript-l... https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/FTLJIT https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/FTLJIT Or is it something else?

benaiah 12y ago

Air-gap elimination in the iPad Air 2 should make this much better at use in sunlight - there's a claimed 56% reduction in reflections.

wmblaettler 12y ago

Also live blogged here: http://live.theverge.com/apple-ipad-live-blog/ http://live.theverge.com/apple-ipad-live-blog/

berberous 12y ago

How does single image HDR work?

fudged71 12y ago
With access to the RAW pixel information they can artificially under- and over-exposure then map those into an HDR image.
potatolicious 12y ago
Your screen (and popular image formats) are 8-bits per color channel. Modern digital sensors can do 12-14 bits of useful data per color channel typically (16 for the really high end stuff). To even save or display the image from these sensors you'd have to compress the 12/14-bit color range into 8-bit anyways. Single-image HDR is simply the ability to tweak this transform to your benefit.

joemaller1 12y ago

The signal-to-noise ratio in this event is terrible so far.

epmatsw 12y ago

Hmm. iPad Mini, iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Air, and iPad Air 2. Wasn't one of the key insights that Steve Jobs had when he returned to Apple that they had too many variations of their products with no obvious differentiation? As much as I love their products, it seems like they're rapidly slipping back down that slope...

tvon 12y ago
Eh, I can see that argument with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+, but in this case we're just talking about keeping older products alive at a lower price point.
Steko 12y ago
iPod Classic, iPod Mini, iPod Nano, iPod Shuffle, iPod Touch...
- epmatsw 12y ago
  I guess the counter argument to that would be that those products are all clearly differentiated by their names and appearances. The iPad Mini 1-3 all look identical barring close inspection, and their names give no indication of what the differences are other than that one has a higher number.
  - r00fus 12y ago
    Perhaps that was a luxury offered by the fact that the iPod had no meaningful competitors to speak of (and would be strong today if Apple hadn't cannibalized the product line). Also, today cases and accessories rely on Apple form factor as a platform on which to build - and that's a huge market, and important for consumers and 3rd party vendors... I'd like to think my iPhone6 case (if I owned a 6) would fit the next year's model. iPod nano with 5 different form factors in 8 years? Ain't nobody got time for dat no more.
- aikah 12y ago
  There was a clear difference between these products,despite the "iPod" label. Can you mix an Nano with a Classic ? A shuffle with a touch ? now ask most people the difference between an iPad Air and another iPad Air 2 ? touch id ? really ?

Steko 12y ago

27" Retina iMac at 5120x2880 which they are calling "5K" edit: Dell previewed a similar screen last month[1] a "world first" but won't ship til December (5K iMac shipping today if I heard right?). No price on Dell screen, rumor was $2,500 but Apple's throwing in a computer for the same price so I doubt that will hold up. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8272702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8272702

seanmcdirmid 12y ago
Finally. Really, I'll probably buy this, but it's more important that it takes desktop computing is finally moving on from ridiculous low res displays.
- Steko 12y ago
  I didn't see a mention that it's 60 Hz yet but we'll see.
  - seanmcdirmid 12y ago
    Custom timing processor, I would guess so. $2499, wow, I wonder what it wil be in rmb.
- slantyyz 12y ago
  >> ridiculous low res displays. Like many people, my vision took a hit when I turned 40, so I have to disagree with that statement. While YMMV, 1080p on a 27" monitor is not ridiculously low res for the average person. Anything between 100-130 dpi is more than fine enough with me at my viewing distances. Speaking only for my use case -- when I'm doing work, I'd prefer a >= 4K resolution that gives me more real estate over one that gives me denser pixels, which is why I would choose a 40" 4K monitor over a 28" 4K monitor, because the pixels on the smaller monitor are simply wasted on my aging eyes. To me, the main beneficiaries of the new 5K iMac are designers and people who work with (or care a lot about) video and photography. I left gamers out of the list, because I don't know if the R9 M290X is actually powerful enough to drive a game at native res at 60fps.

tvon 12y ago

mhm, no stand-alone display? I'd get one of those, not getting an iMac though.

josho 12y ago
I'm sure that will come when the MacBooks have the power to drive a 5k display.
zwily 12y ago
Look for new MBPs with Thunderbolt 3 next year, along with a Thunderbolt 5k display.
hamstergene 12y ago
I don't think one is even possible until Intel releases Thunderbolt 3. Transferring True-color 5120x2880 at 60 fps requires at least 25GBit/s connection, and no existing connections (on shipped computers) can handle that. The best ones currently are Thunderbolt 2 with 20 GBps, and DisplayPort 1.2 with 17GBps. Only just a few weeks ago, DisplayPort 1.3 was released, which tops 32Gbps, and upcoming Thunderbolt 3 is promising 40 Gbps. Those two are finally making honest-60fps 27" Retina Display possible, so it should not be long until we see one. (Though of course that will require Apple to update all Macs with Thunderbolt 3 or DP 1.3 ports first)

jasode 12y ago

>New iMac with Retina 5K starts at $2499. That's an enticing price if Anandtech's guess[1] of $2500 for the (yet unreleased) Dell 5120x2880 monitor is accurate. The Dell display doesn't include a Mac computer inside it. If Dell had to recalibrate its price in response to Apple's announcement, would it be something like $1899 street price? EDIT to add: I find it interesting to compare this new display announcement to the CinemaDisplay 10 years ago. When Apple debuted the 30" 2560x1600 CinemaDisplay in June 2004, no other major manufacturer had a comparable display. Dell didn't introduce their 2560x1600 3007WFP until January 2006. Apple was the only player for that high resolution and that strength was reflected in the price: $3299. It stayed at that price for over a year (Apple finally lowered it to $2499 in October 2005). Today, Dell announced their 5k monitor 6 weeks before Apple. I guess it's getting harder and harder these days for Apple to create products that catches their competitors else off guard. [1]http://www.anandtech.com/show/8496/dell-previews-27inch-5k-ultrasharp-monitor-5120x2880 http://www.anandtech.com/show/8496/dell-previews-27inch-5k-u...

pdabbadabba 12y ago
Am I the only one who, when he sees the side shot of the Apple product line up [http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/18387/DSC_0773.jpg http://d35lb3dl296zwu.cloudfront.net/uploads/photo/image/183...] just sees the word: "oil!"? Edit: For all those down-modders out there, I suppose I should clarify that I'm not making any sort of environmental point. (Though I suppose a person might.) I own several Apple products myself (and probably soon a few more) and while I think the tech/consumer-electronics industry has a lot of work to do to even approach sustainability, I don't think there's any reason to single Apple out for criticism. I am a bit surprised, though, that nobody at Apple thought writing out the word "oil" with their products was a bad idea given their past troubles with Greenpeace.

hayksaakian 12y ago

New Mac Mini @ 499$ lowers the barrier to entry for mac/ios development. (Yes there was always the resale market, but apple is driving down the price overall. You won't find a used mac mini over 499)

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