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'Citizenfour' Reveals Existence of Second NSA Whistleblower

118 points by eplanit 12y ago

personjerry 12y ago
This article seems to make a huge deal out of everything and I feel like it may be exaggerating a little. That said I don't know the details very well, could anyone provide more insight or link to a more reliable source of additional information?
- nnx 12y ago
  Not giving much more information but here's a more reliable source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leaker-in-us-intelligence-says-glenn-greenwald http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leaker...
- wavefunction 12y ago
  Bruce Schneier mentioned his notion that there is a second whistleblower back in July: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_p...
  - rst 12y ago
    The film confirms that explicitly; it shows Greenwald giving the name of the second leaker to Snowden (whose jaw drops).
    - acqq 12y ago
      Have you seen the film, or have you read somewhere, and then, where?
      - rst 12y ago
        Confirmed in numerous reviews, including the one linked to right up top.
      - Estragon 12y ago
        Um, it's in the OP. :-)
    - deleted 12y ago
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logicalman 12y ago
NSA has had whistleblowers before Snowdwen so this is not surprising.
- nyolfen 12y ago
  it had exactly two, and neither leaked classified documents
bobobo 12y ago
What is really needed are politicians having the courage to stand up. If the material of the Snowden revelations alone are not enough, then nothing will be.
- CamperBob2 12y ago
  The problem seems to be that the politicians are so used to lying themselves, they don't mind when they're lied to. In Washington, lies are currency.
- rhizome 12y ago
  Especially, given the existence of the Speech and Debate Clause.
nyolfen 12y ago
this has been known for a few months if you've been paying very close attention: http://deep-state.tumblr.com/post/91320197853/confirmation-that-a-second-non-snowden-leaker-is http://deep-state.tumblr.com/post/91320197853/confirmation-t... this is a subject i study nearly obsessively, though
- greenyoda 12y ago
  Here's the article from Wired.com from which that excerpt was taken: Glenn Greenwald on Why the Latest Snowden Leak Matters (July, 2014) http://www.wired.com/2014/07/greenwald-q-a/ http://www.wired.com/2014/07/greenwald-q-a/
- csandreasen 12y ago
  Why does it seem like such a remote possibility that Laura Poitras would be letting Jacob Appelbaum have access to the Snowden documents when the two of them have worked together on post-Snowden NSA reporting? An example: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-3.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-power...
- sitkack 12y ago
  I know. I am the NSA desk analyst who doesn't have to work because you do. I just put a whole-tap site:news.ycombinator.com user:nyolfen and does it the 6-degrees magic on all your net traffic.

118 points by eplanit 12y ago

This article seems to make a huge deal out of everything and I feel like it may be exaggerating a little. That said I don't know the details very well, could anyone provide more insight or link to a more reliable source of additional information?

nnx 12y ago
Not giving much more information but here's a more reliable source: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leaker-in-us-intelligence-says-glenn-greenwald http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/11/second-leaker...
wavefunction 12y ago
Bruce Schneier mentioned his notion that there is a second whistleblower back in July: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_pri.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/07/nsa_targets_p...
- rst 12y ago
  The film confirms that explicitly; it shows Greenwald giving the name of the second leaker to Snowden (whose jaw drops).
  - acqq 12y ago
    Have you seen the film, or have you read somewhere, and then, where?
    - rst 12y ago
      Confirmed in numerous reviews, including the one linked to right up top.
    - Estragon 12y ago
      Um, it's in the OP. :-)
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]

logicalman 12y ago

NSA has had whistleblowers before Snowdwen so this is not surprising.

nyolfen 12y ago
it had exactly two, and neither leaked classified documents

bobobo 12y ago

What is really needed are politicians having the courage to stand up. If the material of the Snowden revelations alone are not enough, then nothing will be.

CamperBob2 12y ago
The problem seems to be that the politicians are so used to lying themselves, they don't mind when they're lied to. In Washington, lies are currency.
rhizome 12y ago
Especially, given the existence of the Speech and Debate Clause.

nyolfen 12y ago

this has been known for a few months if you've been paying very close attention: http://deep-state.tumblr.com/post/91320197853/confirmation-that-a-second-non-snowden-leaker-is http://deep-state.tumblr.com/post/91320197853/confirmation-t... this is a subject i study nearly obsessively, though

greenyoda 12y ago
Here's the article from Wired.com from which that excerpt was taken: Glenn Greenwald on Why the Latest Snowden Leak Matters (July, 2014) http://www.wired.com/2014/07/greenwald-q-a/ http://www.wired.com/2014/07/greenwald-q-a/
csandreasen 12y ago
Why does it seem like such a remote possibility that Laura Poitras would be letting Jacob Appelbaum have access to the Snowden documents when the two of them have worked together on post-Snowden NSA reporting? An example: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-powerful-toolbox-in-effort-to-spy-on-global-networks-a-940969-3.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-nsa-uses-power...
sitkack 12y ago
I know. I am the NSA desk analyst who doesn't have to work because you do. I just put a whole-tap site:news.ycombinator.com user:nyolfen and does it the 6-degrees magic on all your net traffic.