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Is the buying of the handgun just embellishment? I thought that concealed carry was essentially illegal in California for private citizens, which is what it so

Is the buying of the handgun just embellishment? I thought that concealed carry was essentially illegal in California for private citizens, which is what it sounded like you were buying it for...

beachstartup 12y ago
CA concealed carry varies from county to county. it is legal in a large % of the state. generally it only takes one incident involving the police (or lack thereof) for someone to buy a gun or take other measures for their own personal safety. for me it involved an assault on the streets not a mile from my own home that basically ended with the police not giving a shit about me or my situation. in reality, you are on your own. the police don't care about you. this is really, really tough for some people to swallow.
- msandford 12y ago
  It's not just "in reality", it's codified into law: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=... Or here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia It's tough for people to swallow because they've been subtly led to think that the police do have an obligation ala "To Protect and to Serve" like the L.A.P.D. OFFICIAL motto. http://www.lapdonline.org/history_of_the_lapd/content_basic_view/1128 http://www.lapdonline.org/history_of_the_lapd/content_basic_... But it turns out that like corporate-customer-service-speak "How can I help you? You want to cancel? I'm sorry I can't do that it's against policy". Now why is it that way? People in government and the police are worried that you could end up in a situation where the police are held accountable for literally every thing that doesn't go exactly perfect. Even when the reasons it went wrong were out of their control. But I suspect that the balance has been shifted a bit too far towards giving the police the benefit of the doubt, at least re: people's expectations.
hga 12y ago
California (and Hawaii) are facing a Federal court decision that has a good chance of ending its per county "may issue" concealed carry regime. In the meantime, it won't hurt to buy weapons and become familiar with them. They'll be available at home, and unless California gun laws are like New Jersey's and a few other states, there's probably some way to legally carry one in your car with some ammo, even if it's not easily or quickly accessible and functional. It still might do you good, although for that use case a rifle is likely to better.
melvinmt 12y ago
Concealed carry is in general not allowed in CA without a permit, but you are allowed to carry a handgun in a locked case in your trunk. That limitation is only for handguns by the way, you can keep a shotgun and other rifles with you in the car.

Is the buying of the handgun just embellishment? I thought that concealed carry was essentially illegal in California for private citizens, which is what it sounded like you were buying it for...

beachstartup 12y ago

CA concealed carry varies from county to county. it is legal in a large % of the state. generally it only takes one incident involving the police (or lack thereof) for someone to buy a gun or take other measures for their own personal safety. for me it involved an assault on the streets not a mile from my own home that basically ended with the police not giving a shit about me or my situation. in reality, you are on your own. the police don't care about you. this is really, really tough for some people to swallow.

msandford 12y ago
It's not just "in reality", it's codified into law: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=... Or here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia It's tough for people to swallow because they've been subtly led to think that the police do have an obligation ala "To Protect and to Serve" like the L.A.P.D. OFFICIAL motto. http://www.lapdonline.org/history_of_the_lapd/content_basic_view/1128 http://www.lapdonline.org/history_of_the_lapd/content_basic_... But it turns out that like corporate-customer-service-speak "How can I help you? You want to cancel? I'm sorry I can't do that it's against policy". Now why is it that way? People in government and the police are worried that you could end up in a situation where the police are held accountable for literally every thing that doesn't go exactly perfect. Even when the reasons it went wrong were out of their control. But I suspect that the balance has been shifted a bit too far towards giving the police the benefit of the doubt, at least re: people's expectations.

hga 12y ago

California (and Hawaii) are facing a Federal court decision that has a good chance of ending its per county "may issue" concealed carry regime. In the meantime, it won't hurt to buy weapons and become familiar with them. They'll be available at home, and unless California gun laws are like New Jersey's and a few other states, there's probably some way to legally carry one in your car with some ammo, even if it's not easily or quickly accessible and functional. It still might do you good, although for that use case a rifle is likely to better.

melvinmt 12y ago

Concealed carry is in general not allowed in CA without a permit, but you are allowed to carry a handgun in a locked case in your trunk. That limitation is only for handguns by the way, you can keep a shotgun and other rifles with you in the car.