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The government (executive) lies to other branches of the government (judiciary) with impunity. Once in a while, a judge will get angry about it, but prosecutors

The government (executive) lies to other branches of the government (judiciary) with impunity. Once in a while, a judge will get angry about it, but prosecutors and expert witnesses issue whopping lies into the official record every day.

pbhjpbhj 12y ago
Aren't USA judges voted in? Why do the people vote for judges that will sit quiet whilst someone provably lies in court? We found them by simple looking at the IP that the packets of the captcha were served from. The captcha was served over tor, based on the evidence that's impossible. Either you lied or you need to add further evidence. If you can't/won't add further evidence then as the court sees it you lied and are in contempt and will be punished in line with minimum sentencing?? This is of the order of a "he robbed me at home at exactly 2pm", "your submitted cell-phone evidence says you were at work from 1pm until 4pm". If the defendant is convicted on some other counts can they, or anyone else, do anything or is the allowance of officers of the FBI to lie in open court somehow embedded in the USA constitution. As a foreigner to the USA this sort of thing just undermines the entire foreign policy rhetoric of bringing democracy to the world. Bring some damned democracy to the USA first: government by the people for the people, my arse.
- kd0amg 12y ago
  Why do the people vote for judges that will sit quiet whilst someone provably lies in court? Most voters don't have information about such incidents or enough time to crawl through court records looking for that information. Actually, in judicial elections, most voters don't even have anyone else to vote for.
- mcdougle 12y ago
  Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but judges are not voted in. At least, I know that supreme court justices are not and I assume other positions are done the same way. US judges are elected by politicians (Supreme Court justices being elected by the president, although Congress can veto that decision).
- derekp7 12y ago
  Any time you have two opposite sides in court, one says yes the other says no, one of them is lying. So, in addition to a regular guilty / not-guilty verdict, do you want to also see an automatic contempt of court verdict for the losing party?
  - pbhjpbhj 12y ago
    If they provably and knowingly lied it seems reasonable. Here there seems like ~0% chance that the FBI expert in computer forensics (which they'd need to be to be running such an investigation, surely) can't possibly know that he's not lying? If you can't tell the truth in court then keep your mouth shut or you'll be punished accordingly seems like the exact message a country intending to operate under the rule-of-law should be promoting.
- briandh 12y ago
  > Aren't USA judges voted in? This case is being heard by a federal court, the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Federal judges are appointed by the president with the consent of the Senate.
- bitJericho 12y ago
  Perjury requires that you are knowingly lying.
- spacemanmatt 12y ago
  Some judges are appointed, some are elected. AFAIK (IANAL/YMMV) appointment is more common at the state and federal levels, while elections are more common at county and municipal levels. IMO electing judges and sheriffs makes negative sense, but that's what we have going on here.

pbhjpbhj 12y ago

Aren't USA judges voted in? Why do the people vote for judges that will sit quiet whilst someone provably lies in court? We found them by simple looking at the IP that the packets of the captcha were served from. The captcha was served over tor, based on the evidence that's impossible. Either you lied or you need to add further evidence. If you can't/won't add further evidence then as the court sees it you lied and are in contempt and will be punished in line with minimum sentencing?? This is of the order of a "he robbed me at home at exactly 2pm", "your submitted cell-phone evidence says you were at work from 1pm until 4pm". If the defendant is convicted on some other counts can they, or anyone else, do anything or is the allowance of officers of the FBI to lie in open court somehow embedded in the USA constitution. As a foreigner to the USA this sort of thing just undermines the entire foreign policy rhetoric of bringing democracy to the world. Bring some damned democracy to the USA first: government by the people for the people, my arse.

kd0amg 12y ago
Why do the people vote for judges that will sit quiet whilst someone provably lies in court? Most voters don't have information about such incidents or enough time to crawl through court records looking for that information. Actually, in judicial elections, most voters don't even have anyone else to vote for.
mcdougle 12y ago
Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong, but judges are not voted in. At least, I know that supreme court justices are not and I assume other positions are done the same way. US judges are elected by politicians (Supreme Court justices being elected by the president, although Congress can veto that decision).
derekp7 12y ago
Any time you have two opposite sides in court, one says yes the other says no, one of them is lying. So, in addition to a regular guilty / not-guilty verdict, do you want to also see an automatic contempt of court verdict for the losing party?
- pbhjpbhj 12y ago
  If they provably and knowingly lied it seems reasonable. Here there seems like ~0% chance that the FBI expert in computer forensics (which they'd need to be to be running such an investigation, surely) can't possibly know that he's not lying? If you can't tell the truth in court then keep your mouth shut or you'll be punished accordingly seems like the exact message a country intending to operate under the rule-of-law should be promoting.
briandh 12y ago
> Aren't USA judges voted in? This case is being heard by a federal court, the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Federal judges are appointed by the president with the consent of the Senate.
bitJericho 12y ago
Perjury requires that you are knowingly lying.
spacemanmatt 12y ago
Some judges are appointed, some are elected. AFAIK (IANAL/YMMV) appointment is more common at the state and federal levels, while elections are more common at county and municipal levels. IMO electing judges and sheriffs makes negative sense, but that's what we have going on here.