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I'm a default (twoxchromosomes) mod. I would love to see better moderation tools. Most of the shitty content I've had to deal with are from newer/multiple acco

I'm a default (twoxchromosomes) mod. I would love to see better moderation tools. Most of the shitty content I've had to deal with are from newer/multiple accounts, as well as the older accounts that are sick of the trolls. Our AutoModerator shadowban list and our ban list is so ridiculously long I can barely scroll it. It'd be amazing if we didn't have to rely on a bunch of other tools (toolbox, RES, AutoModerator) or consider building our own tools (subreddit history scraper). It'd also be amazing if there was some site-wide automatic action against certain throwaway accounts so we don't have to clean up _after_ the 4th attempt at some idiot trolling us. I would also love to see a better take on Reddit 101 too. We still get comments like "I'm a male and why is this on my reddit page" and people that just barge in without reading rules to post things against our rules (like a ton of misogyny _and_ misandry). Some of this is inevitable but it's pretty annoying that there isn't much we can do here either other than deleting things after the fact. I don't think that those two alone will improve the site significantly, but it would be a burden lifted for default mods, and that might help clean up parts of the front page. Maybe. I don't even want to think about how much time we spend on everything from figuring out trolls to writing warning notes for each other, to discussing some idiot user trying to dox one of the mods. It'd be time we can spend doing other things for the subreddit. That would be nice.

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- MBlume 12y ago
  No. Precisely because, as alexis said (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8390156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8390156) reddit is a platform for communities as much as it is a platform for users, and the norms for communities are created through moderation. The moderator gets to create the community they want, and it's up to users to accept the standards of moderation or move to/start a different community
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- silencio 12y ago
  You do not want to see the cesspool that is moderated comments on 2xc. Spam and hateful comments fall pretty fast anyway, but that doesn't mean that it should stay there. What would you prefer - a youtube page with all comments and some hidden due to a low score, or a page with all the shitty comments removed altogether? Someone is going to see that shit anyway and it's going to be awful as it involves everything from rape threats on support threads to someone that is trying to post something completely irrelevant to the subreddit. And then there are comments that are really unpopular but they aren't hateful or spam, and even if it's buried we don't remove those. They would be mixed in with the hateful comments just because people don't like what the person is saying. Some type of moderation is, in my opinion, a necessity. There are very few free-for-alls on the internet - if you have a good example of that working out, then I would like to know.
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    - silencio 12y ago
      Feel free to start your own community with a hands off approach. :) We have 1.1 million subscribers in an active and default subreddit. Related and private subreddits are growing too to meet the random niche demands of some of our users, and that's a great thing. Our users have options if they don't like our moderation style.
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      - SwellJoe 12y ago
        Great attitude, and don't let assholes convince you that responsible moderation is ever a bad thing. The "freedom of speech" thing is just another trolling approach. Someone has a right to say anything they want, but they don't have a right to say it anywhere they want. If you and your participants have built a community and a culture that is inclusive and respectful, anyone choosing not to participate within those guidelines is opting themselves out of your community. And, it's worth nothing that HN is a moderated community, and while there are people who find that problematic, the reality is that a significant portion of the best contributors here wouldn't stick around if it were not reasonably moderated. I believe that's true of communities in general, but particularly communities that are controversial (I'm a mod at /r/occupywallstreet; I've seen some shit).
- kansface 12y ago
  No, the point of reddit is that communities of people moderate themselves under the rules they make up. Voting is not a substitute for moderation- see memes, offtopic comments, trolls, or the middlebrow dismissal that plagues HN. The later is always sitting at the top of page and in the positive; HN would be better if mods removed the comments or punished the accounts who make them.
- freehunter 12y ago
  I was a founding moderator of /r/gamernews, which was founded with a seriously different mindset than that of r/gamingnews or r/gaming. When we started, we had a lot of people coming from the other communities trying to force in memes, rumors, blogspam, and other things that were against our founding principles. It took a few months before the submitted content matched the community we were looking for. Trolls realized they weren't welcome, and people who wanted news without rumors or other cruft felt comfortable there. If we didn't have heavy handed (and often controversial) moderation policies for the first few months, we never would have hit 100 subscribers, let alone 90,000. Relying on a community to police itself is great for an open community (like /r/gaming), but if you want any kind of formal structure you need some moderation. Especially on such a sensitive subreddit as /r/twoxchromosomes where the potential for abuse, spam, and general hatred is so high. Although with that community, I seriously have to wonder why reddit would want it to be a default, or why the moderators agreed. Terrible, terrible decision to take a community of respect and trust and open the floodgates to the greater internet full of assholes and trolls. Oh well. Voting in an open system only works to reenforce the viewpoints of the majority of voters, not the viewpoints of the specific community. That's why I can't vote in the elections of another country.
  - MattHeard 12y ago
    > Although with that community, I seriously have to wonder why reddit would want it to be a default, or why the moderators agreed. I assumed that reddit admins made /r/twoxchromosomes a default because it was a good subreddit and wanted to expose better content to the default users. Also, I thought that subreddit moderators don't have input regarding whether the subreddit is made default.
    - honestcoyote 12y ago
      Subreddit moderators do have input. The admins wanted to make AskHistorians a default and the moderators, who are already work overtime to ensure the posted answers are highly professional, said no. And some moderators have, I think, chosen to remove their subs as defaults.
    - Semaphor 12y ago
- ufo 12y ago
  It doesn't work in practice and I don't know of any big reddit community that has managed to keep things clean without strict moderation. For example, one problem that happens very often is that image macros and other "lighetweight" content get more votes than longer articles. It only tkes seconds to look at a picture but ot everyone can take a couple of minutes to read an article and vote on it (not to mention that the "hotness" metric gives less weigth to votes after a few minutes than votes after a few seconds).
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    - ufo 12y ago
      This kind of argument pops up all the time whenever a subreddit has a discussion about moderation but in my experience it doesn't work in practice. For starters, only are there technical disparities between what the rating algorithm considers hot and what the community actually likes (for example, images can get lots of quick votes soon after submission, which propells them to the front page). But perhaps even more importantly, there is the "eternal september problem": moderation lets a subreddit enforce their culture to the new users, which is very important. Something like /r/askscience would be impossible to maintain in its current state with just user voting. As for tagging, it helps in some situations but its not an universal solution. The UI is kind of lacking (you need a 3rd party extantion to hide unwanted tags and it doesnt filter posts in the reddit.com frontpage) but it also doesnt do anything for passing users who havent configured their tags. In a hypothetical world maybe its possible to create a smarter "hotness" algorithm that is less prone to these problems but in the current system I really don't think "just downvote the bad stuff" is a practical solution.
  - aardshark 12y ago
    What if moderators had control of how posts are ranked in their subreddits? I think that would result in some very interesting subreddit specific ranking algorithms.
drzaiusapelord 12y ago
>"I'm a male and why is this on my reddit page" and people that just barge in without reading rules to post things against our rules I think its asking way too much of someone who wants to join a casual site known for cat pics and meme jokes to read through the couple dozen default sub rules. There's no practical educational solution here. The volume of new users and the labor of understanding all these rules is huge and its impractical to expect people to digest it all, especially for a topic most users, being male, aren't into. Lets also not be ignorant of the massive feminist thought that dominates subs like 2x. To you, its mainstream, if not conservative, to others its very different from what they're used to. Why do you think subjecting random people to that and not expecting some kind of reaction? Reddit's idea of default subs seems flawed to me. Perhaps it should have suggested defaults when you make an account and you choose what you're interested in. Non-logged in users should get, maybe, randomized top 500 or so subs. Hand-picking subs, many of which are instantly polarizing (atheism, worldnews, politics, 2X, etc) is really an insane way to run that site. Worse, once a sub is made a default, its quantity goes up but its quality goes down. /r/writingprompts was once a fun place for authors to get some practice. The highest rated stories were usually good for a read, but now its a default sub, and its unreadable. The top comments tend to be half-assed efforts usually ending in a joke or even a reddit in-joke because the guy who posts something silly immediately will dominate while the guy still working on his story and posts after an hour of writing ends up being comment 78 and no one scrolls that far down to read. Heck, that sub is so bad, that if you want to read a decent story you start at the bottom, with the lowest ranked items, and scroll up. Talk about failure of design! /r/books was an okay resource for the casual reader and now is dominated by items that are, imo, much more lowest common denominator. I'm sure there are more examples. I really think reddit is about ready to have its disruptive MySpace moment when some Facebook-like competitor moves in. The default subs are unrreadable dreck, the politics a mix of the ugliest libertarian meets social justice warrior crap, and the mod policy a schizophrenic per sub mess that pleases no one. Most subs seem completely overwhelmed and just resort to strict rules and 'self post only' policies to keep some level of sanity. This isn't a sign of a healthy system.
- arrrg 12y ago
  Yeah, exactly, it all circles back to this basic issue: Most users of reddit are racist and sexist and absolutely disgusting in every way. That’s why bullshit like this happens. Reddit delenda est.
anoncow 12y ago
Hi there. Your sr is one of the better ones I have come across. Keep up the good work. I hope the cleaning and injections don't change reddit too much.
diydsp 12y ago
Yes, one thing I would like see in moderator tools is: edit the headlines. That's a commonly-used tool on HN and it would help subreddits, too.
- TylerE 12y ago
  I'm going to disagree here. It's giving the mods way too much power. There's already editable flair on posts to point out factual errors. (E.g. something claiming to be confirmed that isn't) I don't like it on HN either - I'd rather have a headline with a touch of editorializing than the complete lack of context they're often edited to...this very thread being a prime example).
- Karunamon 12y ago
  At least letting people edit their own headlines/links (possibly with the changes going into a mod approval queue) would be quite helpful.
  - fphhotchips 12y ago
    Or at least not hitting the "you are doing that too much" limit for deleting and reposting when you realise you accidentally pasted the wrong link in and similar.
- vidarh 12y ago
  The headline editing is one of my pet hates about HN. I'd loathe seeing it spread to Reddit too.
samstave 12y ago
We need Yahtzee to make a "WHAT THE FUCK IS REDDIT" video! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%22Yahtzee%22_Croshaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%22Yahtzee%22_Croshaw
DanBC 12y ago
Twoxchromosomes is a hellhole sub. i) diverse people have a spectrum of extreme but sincere opinions, so they look like they are provocative trolls even if they aren't. ii) A sizable proportion of Reddit hates any even mild suggestion that maybe women don't have the easy life and the sub is a target for that rage iii) with the watter nicely chummed trolls have an easy time. iv) a lot of the posters are just viciously unpleasant unless your posts aligns exactly with theirs. The reality is that your sub is the dead-corpse human-shield used to protect other less awful feminist subs. I really hope you mod some other nicer subs so that you get some pleasure out of Reddit. (I've been a bit vicious a out the sub, but this doesn't reflect on the moderation or (mostly) on the real users.)
lambda 12y ago
I'm just somewhat puzzled that twox is a default. It seems like a prime candidate not to be just due to these sorts of inevitable problems. Lots of people new to discussion boards tend not to understand there may be different rules, sets of expected behavior, or the like on different sub-boards, so making something a default is likely to attract lots of people who are new and don't understand the rules. Once you couple that with the general population skewing fairly male, young, not necessarily good with social norms, and a strong pseudo-libertarian streak, it just doesn't seem like a good combination with a sub that's supposed to be by and for women. I'm curious why the mods decided to let it become a default.
- fourstar 12y ago
  Mods don't decide to make a subreddit a default, admins do.
  - lambda 12y ago
    I was under the impression that the admins consulted with the mods before doing so, but I could be wrong; how the front page has worked has changed many times over the years, and I haven't been keeping very close track.
    - cookiecaper 12y ago
      I'm sure that the admins would remove any sub that asked from the default list.
    - fourstar 12y ago
      They send you a message, but at that point it's already been decided what they have chosen to be the defaults.
      - smikims 12y ago
        You can always opt out though. There's literally a check box you can change if you don't want it anymore. You don't uncheck that box without a lot of communication and deliberation generally, but it's there.
peanutbatter 12y ago
your subreddit is a piece of garbage
- untog 12y ago
  I see that you are a new user here. Good. Leave. Now.
squidmccactus 12y ago
lol you used the word "misandry" seriously
fragmede 12y ago
Yeah, Reddit's weakest link is its moderation tools or really, lack thereof. The mod tools were really written for a much smaller site, and hopefully this infusion of cash will let them hire devs who can make it their mission to make the mod tools useful. Granular abilities - like the ability to give someone only the power to delete comments, or only the power to tag titles or something. Restrict posting from new accounts - force accounts to be X days old before they're allowed to comment in a given subreddit. Exposing the IP's of users to the mods - Most trolls/spammers aren't going to with proxies/whatever to get that many IPs, so exposing this is the first step to bans, which leads to... Better bannning tools - even 4chan has good banning tools, why can't Reddit? I spent all of 5 minutes on this so I'm sure a good developer can come up with a super useful list of tools, and them write them.
- misterS 12y ago
  "hopefully this infusion of cash will let them hire devs …" They shouldn't need additional developers for these features (unless all the existing ones left?), seems to me that these things should be doable fairly quickly.
  - mst 12y ago
    "It seems to me that all this programming would be easy" is a common thought, and almost always wrong. I am included in this category.
    - talmand 12y ago
      These days I'm no longer shocked at the number of times I hear "this should be easy" from someone who has absolutely no experience in programming whatsoever. At this point I just smile, nod my head, and attempt to drag the discussion back to reality. It makes me the "negative" one in meetings. Makes me wonder how often this phenomenon happens in other industries. I can say from experience it does happen in the design world. Back in my design days I can say I heard variations of the thought from time-to-time but not as often as I do now being a developer.
noir_lord 12y ago
What about the ability for Mods to set karma or time based limits before someone can post? (say 7 days and 100 upvotes). Hacker News does something like that you can't downvote till 1000 upvotes iirc. That would stop the casual trolls at least (of course there are ways around it but then there always are).
carrotleads 12y ago
Shouldn't there be a rule that if posts from new accounts get reported by more than X number of people for Y reason they are automatically banned. Would make life of moderators easier. Would be easier if the tools allowed moderators to customize these X values.
- richthegeek 12y ago
  There's already plenty of instances of bot swarms that mass-downvote new posts, presumably in order to give their own posts greater chance of getting to the frontpage. If these bots could be used to auto-ban new users then Reddit would die very quickly.
HannibalLecter 12y ago
A major redesign is required for reddit to prevent the issues you're describing and the admins and power users do not want the changes that would be required.
visarga 12y ago
> consider building our own tools (subreddit history scraper) I'd love to scrape my own posts (and the threads they were part of) as a personal log. I have been over 7 years a redditor and I can't reach past 1000 posts back in time, which is less than 10%. Reddit guys, why can't users take their OWN content back?

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MBlume 12y ago
No. Precisely because, as alexis said (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8390156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8390156) reddit is a platform for communities as much as it is a platform for users, and the norms for communities are created through moderation. The moderator gets to create the community they want, and it's up to users to accept the standards of moderation or move to/start a different community
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silencio 12y ago
You do not want to see the cesspool that is moderated comments on 2xc. Spam and hateful comments fall pretty fast anyway, but that doesn't mean that it should stay there. What would you prefer - a youtube page with all comments and some hidden due to a low score, or a page with all the shitty comments removed altogether? Someone is going to see that shit anyway and it's going to be awful as it involves everything from rape threats on support threads to someone that is trying to post something completely irrelevant to the subreddit. And then there are comments that are really unpopular but they aren't hateful or spam, and even if it's buried we don't remove those. They would be mixed in with the hateful comments just because people don't like what the person is saying. Some type of moderation is, in my opinion, a necessity. There are very few free-for-alls on the internet - if you have a good example of that working out, then I would like to know.
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  - silencio 12y ago
    Feel free to start your own community with a hands off approach. :) We have 1.1 million subscribers in an active and default subreddit. Related and private subreddits are growing too to meet the random niche demands of some of our users, and that's a great thing. Our users have options if they don't like our moderation style.
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    - SwellJoe 12y ago
      Great attitude, and don't let assholes convince you that responsible moderation is ever a bad thing. The "freedom of speech" thing is just another trolling approach. Someone has a right to say anything they want, but they don't have a right to say it anywhere they want. If you and your participants have built a community and a culture that is inclusive and respectful, anyone choosing not to participate within those guidelines is opting themselves out of your community. And, it's worth nothing that HN is a moderated community, and while there are people who find that problematic, the reality is that a significant portion of the best contributors here wouldn't stick around if it were not reasonably moderated. I believe that's true of communities in general, but particularly communities that are controversial (I'm a mod at /r/occupywallstreet; I've seen some shit).
kansface 12y ago
No, the point of reddit is that communities of people moderate themselves under the rules they make up. Voting is not a substitute for moderation- see memes, offtopic comments, trolls, or the middlebrow dismissal that plagues HN. The later is always sitting at the top of page and in the positive; HN would be better if mods removed the comments or punished the accounts who make them.
freehunter 12y ago
I was a founding moderator of /r/gamernews, which was founded with a seriously different mindset than that of r/gamingnews or r/gaming. When we started, we had a lot of people coming from the other communities trying to force in memes, rumors, blogspam, and other things that were against our founding principles. It took a few months before the submitted content matched the community we were looking for. Trolls realized they weren't welcome, and people who wanted news without rumors or other cruft felt comfortable there. If we didn't have heavy handed (and often controversial) moderation policies for the first few months, we never would have hit 100 subscribers, let alone 90,000. Relying on a community to police itself is great for an open community (like /r/gaming), but if you want any kind of formal structure you need some moderation. Especially on such a sensitive subreddit as /r/twoxchromosomes where the potential for abuse, spam, and general hatred is so high. Although with that community, I seriously have to wonder why reddit would want it to be a default, or why the moderators agreed. Terrible, terrible decision to take a community of respect and trust and open the floodgates to the greater internet full of assholes and trolls. Oh well. Voting in an open system only works to reenforce the viewpoints of the majority of voters, not the viewpoints of the specific community. That's why I can't vote in the elections of another country.
- MattHeard 12y ago
  > Although with that community, I seriously have to wonder why reddit would want it to be a default, or why the moderators agreed. I assumed that reddit admins made /r/twoxchromosomes a default because it was a good subreddit and wanted to expose better content to the default users. Also, I thought that subreddit moderators don't have input regarding whether the subreddit is made default.
  - honestcoyote 12y ago
    Subreddit moderators do have input. The admins wanted to make AskHistorians a default and the moderators, who are already work overtime to ensure the posted answers are highly professional, said no. And some moderators have, I think, chosen to remove their subs as defaults.
  - Semaphor 12y ago
ufo 12y ago
It doesn't work in practice and I don't know of any big reddit community that has managed to keep things clean without strict moderation. For example, one problem that happens very often is that image macros and other "lighetweight" content get more votes than longer articles. It only tkes seconds to look at a picture but ot everyone can take a couple of minutes to read an article and vote on it (not to mention that the "hotness" metric gives less weigth to votes after a few minutes than votes after a few seconds).
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  - ufo 12y ago
    This kind of argument pops up all the time whenever a subreddit has a discussion about moderation but in my experience it doesn't work in practice. For starters, only are there technical disparities between what the rating algorithm considers hot and what the community actually likes (for example, images can get lots of quick votes soon after submission, which propells them to the front page). But perhaps even more importantly, there is the "eternal september problem": moderation lets a subreddit enforce their culture to the new users, which is very important. Something like /r/askscience would be impossible to maintain in its current state with just user voting. As for tagging, it helps in some situations but its not an universal solution. The UI is kind of lacking (you need a 3rd party extantion to hide unwanted tags and it doesnt filter posts in the reddit.com frontpage) but it also doesnt do anything for passing users who havent configured their tags. In a hypothetical world maybe its possible to create a smarter "hotness" algorithm that is less prone to these problems but in the current system I really don't think "just downvote the bad stuff" is a practical solution.
- aardshark 12y ago
  What if moderators had control of how posts are ranked in their subreddits? I think that would result in some very interesting subreddit specific ranking algorithms.

drzaiusapelord 12y ago

>"I'm a male and why is this on my reddit page" and people that just barge in without reading rules to post things against our rules I think its asking way too much of someone who wants to join a casual site known for cat pics and meme jokes to read through the couple dozen default sub rules. There's no practical educational solution here. The volume of new users and the labor of understanding all these rules is huge and its impractical to expect people to digest it all, especially for a topic most users, being male, aren't into. Lets also not be ignorant of the massive feminist thought that dominates subs like 2x. To you, its mainstream, if not conservative, to others its very different from what they're used to. Why do you think subjecting random people to that and not expecting some kind of reaction? Reddit's idea of default subs seems flawed to me. Perhaps it should have suggested defaults when you make an account and you choose what you're interested in. Non-logged in users should get, maybe, randomized top 500 or so subs. Hand-picking subs, many of which are instantly polarizing (atheism, worldnews, politics, 2X, etc) is really an insane way to run that site. Worse, once a sub is made a default, its quantity goes up but its quality goes down. /r/writingprompts was once a fun place for authors to get some practice. The highest rated stories were usually good for a read, but now its a default sub, and its unreadable. The top comments tend to be half-assed efforts usually ending in a joke or even a reddit in-joke because the guy who posts something silly immediately will dominate while the guy still working on his story and posts after an hour of writing ends up being comment 78 and no one scrolls that far down to read. Heck, that sub is so bad, that if you want to read a decent story you start at the bottom, with the lowest ranked items, and scroll up. Talk about failure of design! /r/books was an okay resource for the casual reader and now is dominated by items that are, imo, much more lowest common denominator. I'm sure there are more examples. I really think reddit is about ready to have its disruptive MySpace moment when some Facebook-like competitor moves in. The default subs are unrreadable dreck, the politics a mix of the ugliest libertarian meets social justice warrior crap, and the mod policy a schizophrenic per sub mess that pleases no one. Most subs seem completely overwhelmed and just resort to strict rules and 'self post only' policies to keep some level of sanity. This isn't a sign of a healthy system.

arrrg 12y ago
Yeah, exactly, it all circles back to this basic issue: Most users of reddit are racist and sexist and absolutely disgusting in every way. That’s why bullshit like this happens. Reddit delenda est.

anoncow 12y ago

Hi there. Your sr is one of the better ones I have come across. Keep up the good work. I hope the cleaning and injections don't change reddit too much.

diydsp 12y ago

Yes, one thing I would like see in moderator tools is: edit the headlines. That's a commonly-used tool on HN and it would help subreddits, too.

TylerE 12y ago
I'm going to disagree here. It's giving the mods way too much power. There's already editable flair on posts to point out factual errors. (E.g. something claiming to be confirmed that isn't) I don't like it on HN either - I'd rather have a headline with a touch of editorializing than the complete lack of context they're often edited to...this very thread being a prime example).
Karunamon 12y ago
At least letting people edit their own headlines/links (possibly with the changes going into a mod approval queue) would be quite helpful.
- fphhotchips 12y ago
  Or at least not hitting the "you are doing that too much" limit for deleting and reposting when you realise you accidentally pasted the wrong link in and similar.
vidarh 12y ago
The headline editing is one of my pet hates about HN. I'd loathe seeing it spread to Reddit too.

samstave 12y ago

We need Yahtzee to make a "WHAT THE FUCK IS REDDIT" video! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%22Yahtzee%22_Croshaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_%22Yahtzee%22_Croshaw

DanBC 12y ago

Twoxchromosomes is a hellhole sub. i) diverse people have a spectrum of extreme but sincere opinions, so they look like they are provocative trolls even if they aren't. ii) A sizable proportion of Reddit hates any even mild suggestion that maybe women don't have the easy life and the sub is a target for that rage iii) with the watter nicely chummed trolls have an easy time. iv) a lot of the posters are just viciously unpleasant unless your posts aligns exactly with theirs. The reality is that your sub is the dead-corpse human-shield used to protect other less awful feminist subs. I really hope you mod some other nicer subs so that you get some pleasure out of Reddit. (I've been a bit vicious a out the sub, but this doesn't reflect on the moderation or (mostly) on the real users.)

lambda 12y ago

I'm just somewhat puzzled that twox is a default. It seems like a prime candidate not to be just due to these sorts of inevitable problems. Lots of people new to discussion boards tend not to understand there may be different rules, sets of expected behavior, or the like on different sub-boards, so making something a default is likely to attract lots of people who are new and don't understand the rules. Once you couple that with the general population skewing fairly male, young, not necessarily good with social norms, and a strong pseudo-libertarian streak, it just doesn't seem like a good combination with a sub that's supposed to be by and for women. I'm curious why the mods decided to let it become a default.

fourstar 12y ago
Mods don't decide to make a subreddit a default, admins do.
- lambda 12y ago
  I was under the impression that the admins consulted with the mods before doing so, but I could be wrong; how the front page has worked has changed many times over the years, and I haven't been keeping very close track.
  - cookiecaper 12y ago
    I'm sure that the admins would remove any sub that asked from the default list.
  - fourstar 12y ago
    They send you a message, but at that point it's already been decided what they have chosen to be the defaults.
    - smikims 12y ago
      You can always opt out though. There's literally a check box you can change if you don't want it anymore. You don't uncheck that box without a lot of communication and deliberation generally, but it's there.

peanutbatter 12y ago

your subreddit is a piece of garbage

untog 12y ago
I see that you are a new user here. Good. Leave. Now.

squidmccactus 12y ago

lol you used the word "misandry" seriously

fragmede 12y ago

Yeah, Reddit's weakest link is its moderation tools or really, lack thereof. The mod tools were really written for a much smaller site, and hopefully this infusion of cash will let them hire devs who can make it their mission to make the mod tools useful. Granular abilities - like the ability to give someone only the power to delete comments, or only the power to tag titles or something. Restrict posting from new accounts - force accounts to be X days old before they're allowed to comment in a given subreddit. Exposing the IP's of users to the mods - Most trolls/spammers aren't going to with proxies/whatever to get that many IPs, so exposing this is the first step to bans, which leads to... Better bannning tools - even 4chan has good banning tools, why can't Reddit? I spent all of 5 minutes on this so I'm sure a good developer can come up with a super useful list of tools, and them write them.

misterS 12y ago
"hopefully this infusion of cash will let them hire devs …" They shouldn't need additional developers for these features (unless all the existing ones left?), seems to me that these things should be doable fairly quickly.
- mst 12y ago
  "It seems to me that all this programming would be easy" is a common thought, and almost always wrong. I am included in this category.
  - talmand 12y ago
    These days I'm no longer shocked at the number of times I hear "this should be easy" from someone who has absolutely no experience in programming whatsoever. At this point I just smile, nod my head, and attempt to drag the discussion back to reality. It makes me the "negative" one in meetings. Makes me wonder how often this phenomenon happens in other industries. I can say from experience it does happen in the design world. Back in my design days I can say I heard variations of the thought from time-to-time but not as often as I do now being a developer.

noir_lord 12y ago

What about the ability for Mods to set karma or time based limits before someone can post? (say 7 days and 100 upvotes). Hacker News does something like that you can't downvote till 1000 upvotes iirc. That would stop the casual trolls at least (of course there are ways around it but then there always are).

carrotleads 12y ago

Shouldn't there be a rule that if posts from new accounts get reported by more than X number of people for Y reason they are automatically banned. Would make life of moderators easier. Would be easier if the tools allowed moderators to customize these X values.

richthegeek 12y ago
There's already plenty of instances of bot swarms that mass-downvote new posts, presumably in order to give their own posts greater chance of getting to the frontpage. If these bots could be used to auto-ban new users then Reddit would die very quickly.

HannibalLecter 12y ago

A major redesign is required for reddit to prevent the issues you're describing and the admins and power users do not want the changes that would be required.

visarga 12y ago

> consider building our own tools (subreddit history scraper) I'd love to scrape my own posts (and the threads they were part of) as a personal log. I have been over 7 years a redditor and I can't reach past 1000 posts back in time, which is less than 10%. Reddit guys, why can't users take their OWN content back?