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Microsoft Announces Windows 10
- html5web 12y agoLol! Where is Windows 9?
- DanWaterworth 12y agoThey started making it and it went wrong. Don't mention it to them; it's still a sensitive topic.
- ossreality 12y agoer wut, no
- amaks 12y agoWindows 8.1 was 9. Or not?
- el_duderino 12y agoRT = 9?
- seanflyon 12y agoWhy did Windows got skip to 10? Because seven ate nine!
- jere 12y agoThey might as well start numbering based on the Fibonacci sequence and go from Windows 8 to Windows 13.
- lr 12y agoThey should have just gone with Windows 11.
- maskedinvader 12y agoctr+V will finally work as paste in command prompt. Finally !
- jlebar 12y agoIt's hilarious that this makes it into the demo.
- Someone1234 12y agoIt is hilarious how terrible the terminal emulator is on Windows in general. It wasn't a big deal with CMD as, frankly, CMD barely got touched since forever. But they've been actively developing Powershell now for many years but yet shoved it into the same antiquated terminal emulator. I'm glad they're at least looking at it. Next up hopefully Control Panel. Barely changed since Windows 95 and subpar relative to what Apple do in OS X.
- bentcorner 12y agoIt's (I think) symptomatic of an organization that prioritizes new-hotness work over old-and-busted work.
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- joeld42 12y agoI think that was their messaging -- the theme of these release is "we've fixed all the annoying things people complain about, from the Start Button for novice users to command prompt for power users". They want this release to feel, above all, familiar.
- truncate 12y agoI hope they make it resizeable too like any other emulator on *nix world.
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- devindotcom 12y ago"One product family. One platform. One store. Windows... One. Wait no, Ten." This level of cluelessness from Microsoft's branding team would be stunning if it hadn't been the rule for a decade and more. The OS itself looks nice, though.
- DanWaterworth 12y agoWindows ten is just Windows one with nothing added.
- radicalbyte 12y agoWindows 9.999... = 10 :)
- richbradshaw 12y agoThe presenter said that Windows 1 had been done already, and showed a photo of Bill with a floppy disk. Not sure what would be better - WinX? Windows One? WindOne? W1ndows?
- potatolicious 12y agoWindows 1.0 was 28 years ago. There will be exactly zero confusion if they recycled the (IMO superior) name.
- mattcwilson 12y agoI stumbled on this on Google and got incredibly confused: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/microsoft-skips--too-good--windows-9--jumps-to-windows-10.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/m...
- Fjolsvith 12y agoYou must have missed the "April Fools Joke" part at the end of the article.
- ConnorBoyd 12y agoThey're really bad at numbering. First the Xbox One, and now this
- yaeger 12y agoLooking forward to the next windows. Windows 360. Oh no, Windows 365. Yeah, that's better. Comes bundled with Office 365 and you have to rent it for a monthly fee. And if you are behind with a payment, the thing refuses to boot or will only let you view your files in read-only mode or something.
- ChuckMcM 12y agoInteresting. Seems like they have capitulated on all the major complaints. Although strategically calling it 10 messes up the 'only odd number Windows are worth using' mantra :-). Did they mention if it will run on ARM? Not the RT nonsense but full up all APIs Windows? I am sort of expecting them to poke back at Intel after the divorce.
- stinos 12y agocapitulated on all the major complaints Or you could call it listened to
- ChuckMcM 12y agoI would expect they are always listening and evaluating. Capitulation being the change of their assertion that Windows 8 features were 'best' and then going back to the way they were in Windows 7. The reasons for that change of opinion might be that they listened to customer complaints, it might be that they compared adoption rates of this version of Windows to the previous version, or it might be something else. So when the opinion changes from what it was, to something it was previously, I see that as capitulation. When an opinion changes from what it was, to something new, I see that as advancement. It isn't a negative evaluation, its a statement of direction of change.
- stinos 12y agoI can follow that reasoning, though I always looked at their Windows 8 features were 'best' statements as pure marketing instead of an actual assertion (you know, like commercials for washing powder which somehow gets better than the previous version every couple of months) - no way everyone at MS was really considering it 'best'. The idea of the hybrid-style OS isn't all that bad, but the way it came out wasn't exactly top notch.
- codeulike 12y agoThey're saying its going to run on phones and phablets etc so yes sounds like some version of Windows 10 will run on ARM. I doubt it will be full windows api though, probably a subset something like RT. Whatever subset their universal apps target I guess.
- bungle 12y agoWindows 9: The Missing Floppies or The Missing Eloppies
- rootbear 12y agoI guess they have OS X envy? Or just putting even more distance between this version and Windows 8? An odd choice.
- joeclark77 12y agoApple did it first. Apple also skipped version 9 to go right to "X".
- Alphasite_ 12y agoNo they didn't.
- lr 12y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9
- joeclark77 12y agoOh I remember the release, but it was a complete bluff/joke. System 9 was really just an incremental update of System 8, but it was given a new number because (a) they were still years away from finishing OS X, which we had been promised for half a decade, and (b) you can charge money if you give the OS a new number.
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- xster 12y agoSuch a backpedal from Windows 8's metro. Windows 7 almost made the title bars non ugly and now we're back to Windows 95 style title bars.
- sdegutis 12y ago> Windows 7 almost made the title bars non ugly and now we're back to Windows 95 style title bars. That's like, your opinion, man.
- sdegutis 12y agoMake up your mind HN. Either you love my comment or you hate it. Let's not have any of this upvote-and-downvote-to-0-karma stuff.
- dragonwriter 12y agoHN users don't share one mind, each has their own. These minds don't always agree.
- bluthru 12y agoPersonally, those toolbars looked like something 15 year-old me created the first time I opened Photoshop.
- yuhong 12y agoSo nothing have been said about the support lifecycle so far. I wish they could delay Win7's end of mainstream support until after Win10 releases at least. Yes, this includes bumping extended support until 2021.
- Maarten88 12y agoWhy is that important? Windows 7 extended support will provide security patches until january 2020.
- yuhong 12y agoYes, this includes bumping extended support until 2021.
- freehunter 12y agoWe didn't learn from Windows XP? Extended support is good enough to keep your OS up to date on security patches, if you're using it past the end of extended support that's completely your fault.
- yuhong 12y agoThe problem is that Win7 did not release until after the end of mainstream support, leaving less than five years to upgrade to it.
- freehunter 12y agoMainstream support means nothing. It still gets patched.
- daigoba66 12y agoI get the feeling there was a major overhaul of development and engineering since Windows 8, and this is the result. It reminds me of the reset that was done after the "failure" of Windows Vista. And there is definitely an underlying tone of "we were wrong, but we're going to fix it" when it comes to the many UI paradigm shifts introduced in Windows 8.
- ceejayoz 12y ago2013 April Fools: http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/microsoft-skips--too-good--windows-9--jumps-to-windows-10.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2613504/microsoft-windows/m...
- winslow 12y agoNice find! I was actually quite excited about "Windows 9". Now that it's called Windows 10 I get this feeling of political bullshit within Microsoft and some higher ups not knowing what they are doing and demanding it be called Win 10. I just kind of have to laugh at this number jump.
- tdicola 12y agoWhat in the world is an Arduino Yun doing in this picture of Windows devices: http://files.tested.com/photos/2014/09/30/68049-windows_product_family_9-30-event-741x416.png http://files.tested.com/photos/2014/09/30/68049-windows_prod... See item on farthest left, it's an Arduino Yun board without the sticker: http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun?from=Products.ArduinoYUN http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun?from=Products.Ardu... The Yun has a 400mhz MIPS processor (and an 8-bit AVR for Arduino compatibility) that runs Linux and I would wager will never run a variant of Windows 10. Did somebody in marketing or whatever just search for Arduino and slap the first picture they saw on the slide?
- dragontamer 12y agohttp://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa448707.aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa448707.aspx Windows CE has been running on MIPS for some time. It is likely that this sort of support has allowed Microsoft to run embedded solutions (such as Ford Sync, which was built on top of ARM)
- jeroen94704 12y agoGood catch! I suspect it is more like they wanted to convey the message Windows 10 can also be used in embedded applications currently covered by e.g. Windows Embedded Compact 7. Someone in marketing did an image search for "embedded board" or something, and added the best looking image, which accidentally turns out to be a Yun.
- tdicola 12y agoYeah, weird they didn't put in an Intel Galileo or Edison, since those are actual embedded boards that can run Windows (Galileo at least, but I'd be shocked if Edison doesn't run Windows for IoT/devices/embedded whatever too). Or maybe it's all a secret project to massively slim Windows down so it can run in the AVR's 2 kilobytes of memory. BillG can revise his quote to be, '2K ought to be enough for anybody'. :)
- dominotw 12y ago> At the other end of the spectrum, there are hospital emergency rooms and pacemakers running Windows. It would be the wrong thing (always up-to-date) on those devices. From the original link.
- u124556 12y agoWorkspaces! I've been using them in Linux since 10 years ago.
- troymc 12y agoHere's the Wikipedia article about their history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_desktop
- paol 12y agoMore like 20 years. They were in FVWM when I made first contact with linux around 1995 or so. They were in Unix's CDE too, which I presume would have been even earlier than that.
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- xngzng 12y agoShould have brand it Windows X 10.0.
- dubcanada 12y agoSo they made Windows 10 what Windows 8 should have been (I have no idea who made the decision to do that dumb metro thing. But it is a nightmare for anyone). And added things that existed in Linux since 1985?
- SilkRoadie 12y agoThis is the Microsoft way. Take Vista and Windows 7. With Vista they tried something new. In Windows 7 they fixed it. In 8 they tried something new... and the cycle continues. Personally I don't mind the start menu being fullscreen. What really bugs me is how I have 2 incompatible desktops. I have my desktop which I have had since Windows 95. I then have some weird application space and jumping between the two is really unintuitive. My bigger gripe is the name. Windows 10... It's PHP all over again. Windows 7. Windows 8. Windows 9? No.. far to logical. Lets call it 10. Perhaps because it is 10 years since 95? I don't know. Still feels wrong. Like PHP PHP 3 PHP 4 PHP 5 PHP 7...............
- sgricci 12y ago> Perhaps because it is 10 years since 95? Try 20 years since 95.
- sremani 12y ago95 -> 98 -> 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 8 -> 10 do you see anything logical in the entire progression. I kind of get it what they were saying from 8 to 10 jump, that we are making a leap with this version over the previous one - because of the whole "universal" unification of devices of various form factors. Unlike many people here, I do not know the "pulse of average people", so I really do not know how this will play out.
- buckbova 12y agoWin2000 was more for business and a successor of WinNT. WinME was the successor to Win98SE and it was absolute trash.
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- atmosx 12y agoReading the comments made me laugh so hard... Was hilarious! Thanks guys and thanks MS!
- azatris 12y agoI would personally like to see good defaults (I don't understand the big icons on taskbar nor any forced integration with any Microsoft markets), workspaces (more than 2) and flexible customization of visuals (not just transparency, colours and fonts) and some kind of a package manager for programs (at least set a standard/options for new installations of third-party programs to bind their update servers with a windows package manager). Perhaps a selection of normal user vs power user on installation would be welcome. I know I'm describing Linux desktop environments, but I have problems with drivers and hardware managers on Linux distros (with my T420) and I don't think the desktop environments are polished as much as Windowses and Mac OS's are. It feels like I have to put that extra effort in just to get things set up correctly. (I've used Gnome, Xfce and awesome)
- btreecat 12y ago> drivers and hardware managers on Linux distros (with my T420) Care to elaborate? My lappy is a T410 and my roommates a T520. Neither of us have any hardware/driver issues. As far as the UI goes, I somewhat agree. However when I use a TMW I am not looking for polish, I am looking for efficiency. That's why I only use a TMW on my work computer. At home I run cinnamon. Looking to poke around KDE 5.1 once it is released but honestly I spend so little time in the UI of the OS it hardly matters any more as I spend most of my time in the UI of an app/website. As an example, I didn't fire up MS word or VI to post this comment so UI polish is just that, polish. >It feels like I have to put that extra effort in just to get things set up correctly. And it should. Depending on what flavor of Linux you go with, you will have different defaults chosen for your OS. From the developers perspective however they are just trying to not restrict you or your choices so that you can customize the environment to your liking. The trade-off is time and effort of that customization. This can be very overwhelming or feel unnecessary. Additionally some people find that the defaults "just work" for them. Hopefully you give another *nix distro a spin in the future.
- arthurfm 12y ago> some kind of a package manager for programs Microsoft's Windows Management Framework v5.0 will include PowerShell OneGet [1]. This is probably the closest thing to a package manager in Windows. [1] http://blogs.technet.com/b/keithmayer/archive/2014/04/16/what-s-new-in-powershell-getting-started-with-oneget-in-one-line-with-powershell-5-0.aspx http://blogs.technet.com/b/keithmayer/archive/2014/04/16/wha...
- Max_Horstmann 12y agoWhat's the internal version number going to be? 6.3, or are they jumping to 7.0?
- mappu 12y ago8.1 is NT 6.3 (if your program declares the correct manifest, otherwise it shows 6.2). My bet is on 6.4, or perhaps a larger jump within 6.x (like how ME was 4.90)
- guardian5x 12y agoCurrent version number in the technical preview is: 6.4 Build 9841
- vlunkr 12y agoMan that start menu is getting huge and complex. I really didn't miss is in the brief time I spent with Windows 8, but I guess enough people did to make them completely backpedal.
- mserdarsanli 12y agoStill not open source.
- themoonbus 12y ago"Going forward, Microsoft is planning to make regular, smaller updates to the Windows 10 codebase, rather than pushing out new major updates years apart" Sounds familiar. Do all operating systems stop at 10 now?
- oneweekwonder 12y agoCan not wait for minix to get that +7 and then we can have a real micro kernel os!
- mark_l_watson 12y agoThat sounds like a good idea to me - one version with frequent small free updates.
- themoonbus 12y agoI agree. I think the age of massive OS overhauls is over, especially since all OS's are starting to look rather similar.
- mappu 12y agoThey have three main buttons on the taskbar now (start, search, workspaces) - anyone remember the Chicago betas? http://i.imgur.com/MZoowWG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MZoowWG.jpg
- Fjolsvith 12y agoMan, I miss those days!
- midolzzzz 12y agoTechnically we're still waiting on Windows 7. ;-) http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724832(v=vs.85).aspx http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms72...
- pathikrit 12y agoMy check list to switch to Windows: [x] Multiple desktops [ ] Command line package manager like OSX's brew [ ] Unified application install/upgrade center [ ] Better terminal (tabs, anti-aliased fonts, split view) [ ] Basic GNU utils (grep, ssh, find)
- leetNightshade 12y agoConcerning your second item: I'm not sure how it compares, but there's chocolatey: https://chocolatey.org/ https://chocolatey.org/ Concerning #4 there's Console2, ConEmu, and Cmder which is a package with ConEmu. There are solutions for all but one of the above, which I mention because Brew isn't an Apple driven solution, so I assume you don't mind other decent solutions not provided by Microsoft.
- pathikrit 12y agoYes, I am fine with non Microsoft solutions. Chocolatey is good but is very sparse when it comes to packages. Also, it is no match for [brewcask](http://caskroom.io/ http://caskroom.io/). Updated my checklist - thanks for the list
- james2vegas 12y agoWindows had the basic *nix utils (more BSD than GNU) with the SFU/SUA stuff which they killed with Windows 8.
- WorldWideWayne 12y agoOS X doesn't have a Unified application install/upgrade center.
- pjmlp 12y agoI want it. Looks quite good.
- solrwnd 12y agoHope os disk space usage will become sensible and winsxs is fixed or gone.
- bane 12y agoI would really like some new version of Windows, regardless of the number, to really rethink the install/uninstall process. Really sandbox new software in and when you uninstall it, it really absolutely removes everything, instead of leaving garbage all over the system. And also to improve the install process, let's please move beyond the install wizard. The user shouldn't have to click "next" 5 screens in a row where there are no options of any kind. Something more OS X-like would be nice.
- majc2 12y agoUnfortunately it'd break too much legacy stuff.
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- bcbrown 12y agoThat was the hope with the Windows Store. Unfortunately it was Metro only.
- guardian5x 12y agoRumors are, that the Windows Store in Win10 will feature a lot more content than Metro Apps, including Desktops Apps, and other content. - http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-windows-store-to-support-more-than-modern-apps http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-10-windows-store-to-suppo...
- ksec 12y agoDoesn;t seem like anything new at all. More like Tweaks to Windows 8.