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if you can get five people to buy CDs, and maybe two of them get another two or three to buy CDs, you'll have done much more good for the project than cutting a

by pyvpx 12y ago

if you can get five people to buy CDs, and maybe two of them get another two or three to buy CDs, you'll have done much more good for the project than cutting a check.

peatmoss 12y ago
How so? I don't have a computer with optical media anymore, and am most likely to install OpenBSD via network. Is there something about CD sales in particular that helps the project more than a straight up check? I'm happy to cut the check directly to the project even though that isn't tax deductible (though I think there's a foundation that is--though they're restricted on how they can spend those funds).
- ams6110 12y ago
  You can make a direct donation. http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html I agree that the CDs are becoming an anachronism, but they still provide an easy way to contribute to the project. Buy the CD, throw it away if you don't need it.
  - jacobgreenleaf 12y ago
    Are you seriously saying that buying something and throwing it away is better than donating the same amount of money?
    - keithpeter 12y ago
      Slackware: I donated the cost of the DVDs plus postage. Seemed silly to shift atoms across an ocean when the bits can trickle down the phone line from a mirror server about 60 miles away. Are there any strange tax or accounting advantages for the organisation I'm supporting if I buy actual stuff rather than donating?
      - cdcarter 12y ago
        I don't know about Canadian tax law, but in the US there is no benefit to earned revenue over contributed revenue, and often having a high number of individual donors can be advantageous for granting reasons.
      - danielbarla 12y ago
        I've seen some strange things related to exports (primarily because the law seems to be moving at a glacial speed compared to reality). So, e.g. a product exported to another country may be exempt from local VAT (so you can "zero rate" it, hence the checkbox that sometimes appears on order pages). This gets a bit blurry when it comes to digital software sales - is it a product you are shipping to another country? Or is it a service you are rendering in your own country (and thus, not exempt from VAT)?
    - ams6110 12y ago
      Not necessarily better but perhaps easier. For example your employer may not have an issue with an expense charge for software CDs but might have a problem with a paypal payment to "deraadt"
  - msvalkon 12y ago
    This sort of culture needs to be weeded out. We are perfectly able to create enough waste as it is, there should be no need to advocate this sort of mentality any further. Either donate directly or don't.
atmosx 12y ago
Nah, it's better to use donations to support the project. CDs are kinda lost technology these days. ps. Donations by users are kinda hard to help (in term of numbers) but donations from companies, should be really waaaaaay more towards all BSD project but ESPECIALLY towards OpenBSD for reasons already mentioned.

by pyvpx 12y ago

if you can get five people to buy CDs, and maybe two of them get another two or three to buy CDs, you'll have done much more good for the project than cutting a check.

peatmoss 12y ago

How so? I don't have a computer with optical media anymore, and am most likely to install OpenBSD via network. Is there something about CD sales in particular that helps the project more than a straight up check? I'm happy to cut the check directly to the project even though that isn't tax deductible (though I think there's a foundation that is--though they're restricted on how they can spend those funds).

ams6110 12y ago
You can make a direct donation. http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html I agree that the CDs are becoming an anachronism, but they still provide an easy way to contribute to the project. Buy the CD, throw it away if you don't need it.
- jacobgreenleaf 12y ago
  Are you seriously saying that buying something and throwing it away is better than donating the same amount of money?
  - keithpeter 12y ago
    Slackware: I donated the cost of the DVDs plus postage. Seemed silly to shift atoms across an ocean when the bits can trickle down the phone line from a mirror server about 60 miles away. Are there any strange tax or accounting advantages for the organisation I'm supporting if I buy actual stuff rather than donating?
    - cdcarter 12y ago
      I don't know about Canadian tax law, but in the US there is no benefit to earned revenue over contributed revenue, and often having a high number of individual donors can be advantageous for granting reasons.
    - danielbarla 12y ago
      I've seen some strange things related to exports (primarily because the law seems to be moving at a glacial speed compared to reality). So, e.g. a product exported to another country may be exempt from local VAT (so you can "zero rate" it, hence the checkbox that sometimes appears on order pages). This gets a bit blurry when it comes to digital software sales - is it a product you are shipping to another country? Or is it a service you are rendering in your own country (and thus, not exempt from VAT)?
  - ams6110 12y ago
    Not necessarily better but perhaps easier. For example your employer may not have an issue with an expense charge for software CDs but might have a problem with a paypal payment to "deraadt"
- msvalkon 12y ago
  This sort of culture needs to be weeded out. We are perfectly able to create enough waste as it is, there should be no need to advocate this sort of mentality any further. Either donate directly or don't.

atmosx 12y ago

Nah, it's better to use donations to support the project. CDs are kinda lost technology these days. ps. Donations by users are kinda hard to help (in term of numbers) but donations from companies, should be really waaaaaay more towards all BSD project but ESPECIALLY towards OpenBSD for reasons already mentioned.