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I've seen the claim that black academic test scores are consistently one standard deviation below the norm regardless of the test: sat, gre, lsat, mcat, erb, af
by kingkongrevenge 17y ago
I've seen the claim that black academic test scores are consistently one standard deviation below the norm regardless of the test: sat, gre, lsat, mcat, erb, afqt, whatever. Always one standard deviation. Unfortunately, that lends weight to the genetic argument.
- Retric 17y agoPeople that are 1/4th black and identify themselves as black, have the same issue on standardized tests as people that are 3/4+% black. If DNA was the cause you would expect a non uniform distribution.
- kingkongrevenge 17y agoThe typical black American is 85%+ genetically "African". A tiny slice of people misreporting race wouldn't impact things much. And I don't follow your premise that inherent differences wouldn't be quantitatively consistent. That's how it is with all the other measurable differences between races.
- Retric 17y agoPeople that are 3/4 "European" and 1/4 "African" and people that are 1/4 "European" and 3/4 "African" score the same on standardized tests. But, they don't have the same skin color / shade. If there was a genetic based IQ difference you would expect the same shift as you see in skin color. But, that's not what happens, thus it's probably not a genetic trait.
- kingkongrevenge 17y ago> score the same on standardized tests Statistically that's not true. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
- Retric 17y agoAhh, ok, this is a case of "[Citation Needed]" and I am going to ask you first. PS: It's been a few years since I read that finding so it's going to take me a while to find it again. Edit: Americans that are 1/4 "African" tend to identify themselves as African. This seems odd to me but it's actually the case.
- natrius 17y agoRace is a social construct. You are what people say you are.
- kingkongrevenge 17y agoRaces are extended families. People in a race are genetically and genealogically closer to each other than to people outside of it. This racial clustering of relatedness is empirically testable. Race is not a social construct.
- natrius 17y agoYou're using a fairly prescriptive definition of race. Race, as commonly used, is a social construct. Ancestry functions the way you describe, but as the example given above shows, "race" and ancestry are not directly related.
- kingkongrevenge 17y ago> "race" and ancestry are not directly related Of course they are.
- natrius 17y agoAncestry is objective. Race is subjective. There is a many-to-many relationship between the two. If people say you're black, then you're black. Different groups may come to different conclusions on what your race is depending on varying social norms. If you disagree with this, then you're not using "race" in the same way that the rest of country is.
- Tichy 17y agoWhy would that lend weight to the genetic argument? Also, I have seen a lot of claims. I have seen claims that IQ is not even distributed in a bell curve. In the actual book "The bell curve" there is also a small (non-normal) spike for very intelligent blacks, if I remember correctly.