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6 Reasons to Use Netbeans IDE

35 points by mirchada993 12y ago

dozzie 12y ago
> 6- Netbeans is modular OK, how can I replace its shitty editor with something decent, like Vim or Emacs? > 3- Teamwork I don't see how clicky menu would help with issuing git commands apart from few obvious entries. I would end up needing terminal anyway. > 1- Feature rich So is AutoCAD, but this alone doesn't make it good environment for developing code.
- dakull 12y ago
  at least in AutoCAD you have AutoLISP :-)
- highmastdon 12y ago
  > OK, how can I replace its shitty editor with something decent, like Vim or Emacs? http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/2802/jvi-vi-vim-editor-clone http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/2802/jvi-vi-vim-editor-cl...
  - dozzie 12y ago
    I didn't ask "how to configure its editor to use vi-like mappings", I asked "how can I replace the editor". Mere clone will not have even one third of the features and functions I use every day. NetBeans' editor is shitty not because it's not vi-like, but because it lacks plenty of editing functions fully featured Vim has.
    - meddlepal 12y ago
      Can you educate us on what those features are?
      - shapov 12y ago
        Emulating vi keybinding is great and all, but that only scratches the surface. A big reason people like vim is the extensibility. I don't think that there is a single vi user(not necessarily a power user, but someone who uses vim for more than just editing a value in a config file) who doesn't have a single plugin installed.
        meddlepal 12y ago
        Great! Except you haven't told me anything about Vi(m) does that Netbeans, Eclipse or IDEA cannot do. We have powerful plugins too! I promise!
      - dozzie 12y ago
        Folding wherever I want, not wherever editor allows (i.e. not limited to blocks defined by syntax). Using Perl scripts in the same way as other commands. Passing the current file through awk. You have plugins for NetBeans or Eclipse, where I don't even need to think how to enable that -- I just run an external command. Quick and easy (no mouse) splitting window to see three or four files at the same time (or other fragment of current file). And many others that I take for granted, so they don't come to my mind at the moment.
jeremyjh 12y ago
Netbeans is an excellent IDE for developing C++ on Linux. I've been using it for a Cocos2d-X project with few complaints. It has a really good Vim emulator which is critical to me and where Jetbrains continues to disappoint me.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  It helps being the official Solaris IDE.
  - zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
    They both come from the same company so it's not exactly a testament of quality, just corporate strategy.
    - pjmlp 12y ago
      Sure, but Sun (now Oracle) could have chosen just to support Java. So it was a good decision to give support to C and C++ developers as well.
rootlocus 12y ago
Unfortunately the link is down but I seriously doubt it would convince me to switch from Idea or any other JetBrains IDE.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  But from Eclipse? :)
  - V-2 12y ago
    That was a cheap shot pjmlp ;)
- pron 12y ago
  I've tried to switch from NetBeans to IDEA for quite some time (I use IDEA for Clojure), and I just can't. IDEA is probably more powerful, but I find NetBeans so much less annoying (you don't have to restart the IDE three times whenever there's a plugin update that might clash with another, or restart the IDE when you need to change the project's Java source version, or open a new window for each project, or click 10 GUI elements to install a plugin -- none of which is consistent with any other desktop app, etc.), and the UI is so much cleaner, less cluttered, and more intuitive (a right-click usually gives you the options you'd expect). Also, NetBeans' Gradle integration is really great. They're both terrific IDEs. IntelliJ is more powerful, but NetBeans has a much better UX.
- V-2 12y ago
  I used to program in PHP, with NetBeans at first, and switching to PhpStorm was an incredible relief. Perhaps things have improved since then, but I remember NetBeans to be awfully buggy, eg. it could make it look as if files were saved whereas, uhm, they weren't, because of which once it got close to being banned in the company that I worked at. That's this bug I believe: https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206513 https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206513 (Note how prompty and efficiently resolved it was)
th3iedkid 12y ago
One of the other good things with Netbeans is using it as a platform like in rich clients. We have developed some quick and good tools on this platform and it seems to work out neatly on our overall structure.
- arenaninja 12y ago
  Yes! I toyed around with this about two years ago, and I was able to make NetBeans edit TIFF images (which it doesn't, by default). I also replaced some older-looking elements from the Images Editor module, most of that was accomplished by following Geertjan (https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/ https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/), who was also regularly in IRC, reachable via e-mail, his blog, etc. Unfortunately, NetBeans was in the middle of an internal transition at the time (having to do with how actions are bound to keys and menu items), and I didn't get the newer way, and the module I expanded used the old keybinding method.
- pjmlp 12y ago
  Nokia replaced some Motif applications by Netbeans based ones in some of their products for network operators.
highmastdon 12y ago
Link is down: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fraed.tn%2Fblog%2F6-reasons-to-use-netbeans-ide%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fraed.tn%2Fblog%2F6-reasons-to-use-netbeans-ide%2F&gs_l=hp.3...509.2836.0.2979.12.10.2.0.0.0.167.584.8j1.9.0....0...1c.1.53.hp..3.9.372.0.WeH0p--QHgI https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?site=&source=h...
- mirchada993 12y ago
  Sorry website down, the community driven hosting server seems to have issues ...
Zigurd 12y ago
When I was first writing Java for feature phones I much preferred Netbeans to Eclipse mainly because Netbeans avoided presenting large numbers of nonsensical commands in the menus. That is, Netbeans behaved much more like a proper GUI. Both Netbeans and Eclipse suffer from adapting command line interfaces to a GUI, and it's hard to do that and to filter out nonsensical combinations of command line flags reflected in the way those options are presented in a GUI. But, in addition to that challenge, Eclipse's modularity-over-usability philosophy hampers it more.
chippy 12y ago
The best thing for me with Netbeans is the visual diff feature and local history, which works with git. There's a side by side diff view, and there's a clickable gutter marker in normal mode. You can see individual changes, see history of a file, revert back lines, see what happened upon every save, not just every commit. I use it for Ruby on Rails. This, and the find (grep) feature is the only feature that I use. None of the other bells or whistles. I've been working on plugin for Geany that approaches this, but nothing has matched it for Netbeans.
TeMPOraL 12y ago
(I mean absolutely no disrespect towards the author and his great post, it's just that after reading it I felt I have to write down an Emacs version of that.) Six reasons to use Emacs Emacs is a great IDE for octopuses and Lisp developers, but did you also know you can use it for almost every other project? Here are 6 reasons why you should use Emacs for your projects. Emacs is at the top of a one-element list when it comes to great free Lisp IDEs. But for a little over three years now I have been using it in more and more projects. Going from basic HTML, CSS, JavaScript to Erlang, PHP, C++ and programming ARM microcontrollers. You name it, Emacs can handle it. It is true, that Emacs was conceived initially for developing primarily with Lisp and various forms of stuff barely more convenient than pure assembly. But now that it is in its 24.4 version, it has grown to cover much more ground, from languages - as I mentioned above - to frameworks like Angular.js, Node.js, Symfony, Zend, etc… So here are 6 reasons to use Emacs: 6 - Emacs is uber-modular Unlike Eclipse, Netbeans, or most others, Emacs is a really modular IDE. And this is great for both users and developers. After downloading Emacs you can choose between different packages, modules and extensions depending on your needs, If you only need C/C++ projects you won’t be downloading unnecessary packages for Java or PHP. You can install, tweak and remove packages depending on your needs, making Emacs a highly customizable IDE with little effort. Plus, if you’re a developer, you can make Emacs do whatever you like by modifying running code on the fly. If a feature you want is missing, you can trivially code it up in few seconds and enable immediately, all without restarting Emacs. You can browse through the fully-documented elisp sources to study how the power of Lisp and right design decision can allow various modules augment other modules without conflict… Emacs also can have a Nyan Cat in a modeline. This can be very instructive. 5 - A great community Like all great open-source projects, Emacs has a very active online community. I rarely stumble on an issue that was not already solved somewhere on the Emacs wiki. This is particularly helpful when you’re discovering a new IDE. Also the Emacs Rocks videos. Those are great too. You can also participate in the community using IRC. Emacs has a built-in IRC client, of course. 4 - Org Mode Trying to organize your work? Emacs has some great text-oriented tools to suit your needs. It will happily turn your simple plaintext list of tasks into full-blown calendaring system, complete with clocking the time you spent on tasks, pomodoro mode (optionally installed in org-pomodoro package), generating agendas for whatever timespan and set of conditions you want, and many more; all of this with a very nice workflow and possibly the most convenient tool for editing tables on the planet. 3 - Teamwork Working on a team or alone I like to use version control (Git mostly) to manage my work. Emacs offer a great support for this (Git, Mercurial and SVN; and Darcs, and Fossil, and even TFS, you name it). You can manage branches, commits, pushes and conflicts effortlessly and without having to touch a mouse or leave your editor. No other IDE has perfected this, out-of-the-box, like Emacs (though you might want to install magit package). 2 - Browser REPLs Read-Eval-Print-Loops are awesome, as any Lisp-speaking SLIME-using programmer will tell you. Emacs has numerous REPLs that connect to browsers to make your life easier. Their main features are: Refresh on Save (ok, you'll probably have to type it up yourself, but it's a single defadvice...), bi-directional element inspection, JavaScript debugging, HTML debugging and pushing to browser, CSS debugging and pushing to browser, etc… If you’re an experienced web developer you’d say “I can set those up myself with some scripts and extensions”. And you’re correct. The thing is, it's simpler than it sounds. Emacs offers you all this with a bunch of simple M-x package-install invocations. 1 - Feature rich I have been using Emacs for a while now, and every other day I discover new things; and even if I discover a new thing in another IDE, the Lispiness of Emacs never ceases to amaze me - like with all Lisps, it's trivial to copy a feature from a competitor and do it better. That is, if you don't already have a better one. Note: I always keep something like vim installed for quick editing, most of the time because I'm too lazy to set up emacs-client as EDITOR for rare random interactions with interactive editing in unix shell. Are you using Emacs or another powerful editor? Share your experience in a comment!
pjmlp 12y ago
Netbeans is great, it has changed a lot since the old days around 2002, where it was quite slow and one even had to mount filesystems into the workspace. The Netbeans rewrite that followed, the use of Ant and Maven as project files and the overall plugin quality beats Eclipse any day. The HTML5 support is great, specially the integration with JavaScript frameworks and static analyzers. I also enjoy the C++ and Assembly support is also quite good, given it is the official Solaris IDE. Best of all, no nonsense workspace or perspective modes in sight. And the plugins API is quite good.
- jimbokun 12y ago
  "...the use of Ant and Maven as project files..." This is what I want most from a Java IDE. I find IDEs project configuration complex, arbitrary, inscrutable, and un-diffable (making version control on the project files mostly useless). Eclipse and IntelliJ make some effort to work with Maven and Ant, but tend to get out of sync in hard to debug ways.
  - V-2 12y ago
    Android Studio (Google's fork of IDEA) was awful at the beginning but is on the right track to getting quite good with Gradle.
jisaacks 12y ago
I used to use Netbeans before moving to Sublime Text, there was only really one thing I missed, the way it showed changes in the gutter.
- velodrome 12y ago
  Have you tried using something like GitGutter?
progx 12y ago
1 Reason to Use Sublime Text 1 - I need a good Editor, not an IDE
- simi_ 12y ago
  This is my exact use case, and I moved from ST2/3 to Atom a while ago, and haven't looked back. (that's not to say Atom doesn't suck, because it does, but it's getting better at a very brisk pace)
  - progx 12y ago
    I think Atom can have a great future. The modular design and nodejs under the hood are great benefits.
unclebunkers 12y ago
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but has the author tried other options?
- un3n 12y ago
  Doubtful. If he had, he would be able to provide more reasoning than 'netbeans is awesome, its the best and nothing is better!!". How about specifics on what you think netbeans does thats better? For example in what way do you find the git support better? Because as someone who regularly use IntelliJ IDEA I feel that it is better in every way (which is why I use it). What I'm getting at is blanketly saying 'X program is the best it does B better than Y" is useless, and wont provide anyone looking for a new IDE any information on why they should try X over Y. What makes its implementation better? I want actual descriptions, and images, and actual use cases.</ramble>

35 points by mirchada993 12y ago

> 6- Netbeans is modular OK, how can I replace its shitty editor with something decent, like Vim or Emacs? > 3- Teamwork I don't see how clicky menu would help with issuing git commands apart from few obvious entries. I would end up needing terminal anyway. > 1- Feature rich So is AutoCAD, but this alone doesn't make it good environment for developing code.

dakull 12y ago
at least in AutoCAD you have AutoLISP :-)
highmastdon 12y ago
> OK, how can I replace its shitty editor with something decent, like Vim or Emacs? http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/2802/jvi-vi-vim-editor-clone http://plugins.netbeans.org/plugin/2802/jvi-vi-vim-editor-cl...
- dozzie 12y ago
  I didn't ask "how to configure its editor to use vi-like mappings", I asked "how can I replace the editor". Mere clone will not have even one third of the features and functions I use every day. NetBeans' editor is shitty not because it's not vi-like, but because it lacks plenty of editing functions fully featured Vim has.
  - meddlepal 12y ago
    Can you educate us on what those features are?
    - shapov 12y ago
      Emulating vi keybinding is great and all, but that only scratches the surface. A big reason people like vim is the extensibility. I don't think that there is a single vi user(not necessarily a power user, but someone who uses vim for more than just editing a value in a config file) who doesn't have a single plugin installed.
      - meddlepal 12y ago
        Great! Except you haven't told me anything about Vi(m) does that Netbeans, Eclipse or IDEA cannot do. We have powerful plugins too! I promise!
    - dozzie 12y ago
      Folding wherever I want, not wherever editor allows (i.e. not limited to blocks defined by syntax). Using Perl scripts in the same way as other commands. Passing the current file through awk. You have plugins for NetBeans or Eclipse, where I don't even need to think how to enable that -- I just run an external command. Quick and easy (no mouse) splitting window to see three or four files at the same time (or other fragment of current file). And many others that I take for granted, so they don't come to my mind at the moment.

jeremyjh 12y ago

Netbeans is an excellent IDE for developing C++ on Linux. I've been using it for a Cocos2d-X project with few complaints. It has a really good Vim emulator which is critical to me and where Jetbrains continues to disappoint me.

pjmlp 12y ago
It helps being the official Solaris IDE.
- zak_mc_kracken 12y ago
  They both come from the same company so it's not exactly a testament of quality, just corporate strategy.
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    Sure, but Sun (now Oracle) could have chosen just to support Java. So it was a good decision to give support to C and C++ developers as well.

rootlocus 12y ago

Unfortunately the link is down but I seriously doubt it would convince me to switch from Idea or any other JetBrains IDE.

pjmlp 12y ago
But from Eclipse? :)
- V-2 12y ago
  That was a cheap shot pjmlp ;)
pron 12y ago
I've tried to switch from NetBeans to IDEA for quite some time (I use IDEA for Clojure), and I just can't. IDEA is probably more powerful, but I find NetBeans so much less annoying (you don't have to restart the IDE three times whenever there's a plugin update that might clash with another, or restart the IDE when you need to change the project's Java source version, or open a new window for each project, or click 10 GUI elements to install a plugin -- none of which is consistent with any other desktop app, etc.), and the UI is so much cleaner, less cluttered, and more intuitive (a right-click usually gives you the options you'd expect). Also, NetBeans' Gradle integration is really great. They're both terrific IDEs. IntelliJ is more powerful, but NetBeans has a much better UX.
V-2 12y ago
I used to program in PHP, with NetBeans at first, and switching to PhpStorm was an incredible relief. Perhaps things have improved since then, but I remember NetBeans to be awfully buggy, eg. it could make it look as if files were saved whereas, uhm, they weren't, because of which once it got close to being banned in the company that I worked at. That's this bug I believe: https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206513 https://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=206513 (Note how prompty and efficiently resolved it was)

th3iedkid 12y ago

One of the other good things with Netbeans is using it as a platform like in rich clients. We have developed some quick and good tools on this platform and it seems to work out neatly on our overall structure.

arenaninja 12y ago
Yes! I toyed around with this about two years ago, and I was able to make NetBeans edit TIFF images (which it doesn't, by default). I also replaced some older-looking elements from the Images Editor module, most of that was accomplished by following Geertjan (https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/ https://blogs.oracle.com/geertjan/), who was also regularly in IRC, reachable via e-mail, his blog, etc. Unfortunately, NetBeans was in the middle of an internal transition at the time (having to do with how actions are bound to keys and menu items), and I didn't get the newer way, and the module I expanded used the old keybinding method.
pjmlp 12y ago
Nokia replaced some Motif applications by Netbeans based ones in some of their products for network operators.

highmastdon 12y ago

Link is down: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fraed.tn%2Fblog%2F6-reasons-to-use-netbeans-ide%2F&oq=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fraed.tn%2Fblog%2F6-reasons-to-use-netbeans-ide%2F&gs_l=hp.3...509.2836.0.2979.12.10.2.0.0.0.167.584.8j1.9.0....0...1c.1.53.hp..3.9.372.0.WeH0p--QHgI https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?site=&source=h...

mirchada993 12y ago
Sorry website down, the community driven hosting server seems to have issues ...

Zigurd 12y ago

When I was first writing Java for feature phones I much preferred Netbeans to Eclipse mainly because Netbeans avoided presenting large numbers of nonsensical commands in the menus. That is, Netbeans behaved much more like a proper GUI. Both Netbeans and Eclipse suffer from adapting command line interfaces to a GUI, and it's hard to do that and to filter out nonsensical combinations of command line flags reflected in the way those options are presented in a GUI. But, in addition to that challenge, Eclipse's modularity-over-usability philosophy hampers it more.

chippy 12y ago

The best thing for me with Netbeans is the visual diff feature and local history, which works with git. There's a side by side diff view, and there's a clickable gutter marker in normal mode. You can see individual changes, see history of a file, revert back lines, see what happened upon every save, not just every commit. I use it for Ruby on Rails. This, and the find (grep) feature is the only feature that I use. None of the other bells or whistles. I've been working on plugin for Geany that approaches this, but nothing has matched it for Netbeans.

TeMPOraL 12y ago

(I mean absolutely no disrespect towards the author and his great post, it's just that after reading it I felt I have to write down an Emacs version of that.) Six reasons to use Emacs Emacs is a great IDE for octopuses and Lisp developers, but did you also know you can use it for almost every other project? Here are 6 reasons why you should use Emacs for your projects. Emacs is at the top of a one-element list when it comes to great free Lisp IDEs. But for a little over three years now I have been using it in more and more projects. Going from basic HTML, CSS, JavaScript to Erlang, PHP, C++ and programming ARM microcontrollers. You name it, Emacs can handle it. It is true, that Emacs was conceived initially for developing primarily with Lisp and various forms of stuff barely more convenient than pure assembly. But now that it is in its 24.4 version, it has grown to cover much more ground, from languages - as I mentioned above - to frameworks like Angular.js, Node.js, Symfony, Zend, etc… So here are 6 reasons to use Emacs: 6 - Emacs is uber-modular Unlike Eclipse, Netbeans, or most others, Emacs is a really modular IDE. And this is great for both users and developers. After downloading Emacs you can choose between different packages, modules and extensions depending on your needs, If you only need C/C++ projects you won’t be downloading unnecessary packages for Java or PHP. You can install, tweak and remove packages depending on your needs, making Emacs a highly customizable IDE with little effort. Plus, if you’re a developer, you can make Emacs do whatever you like by modifying running code on the fly. If a feature you want is missing, you can trivially code it up in few seconds and enable immediately, all without restarting Emacs. You can browse through the fully-documented elisp sources to study how the power of Lisp and right design decision can allow various modules augment other modules without conflict… Emacs also can have a Nyan Cat in a modeline. This can be very instructive. 5 - A great community Like all great open-source projects, Emacs has a very active online community. I rarely stumble on an issue that was not already solved somewhere on the Emacs wiki. This is particularly helpful when you’re discovering a new IDE. Also the Emacs Rocks videos. Those are great too. You can also participate in the community using IRC. Emacs has a built-in IRC client, of course. 4 - Org Mode Trying to organize your work? Emacs has some great text-oriented tools to suit your needs. It will happily turn your simple plaintext list of tasks into full-blown calendaring system, complete with clocking the time you spent on tasks, pomodoro mode (optionally installed in org-pomodoro package), generating agendas for whatever timespan and set of conditions you want, and many more; all of this with a very nice workflow and possibly the most convenient tool for editing tables on the planet. 3 - Teamwork Working on a team or alone I like to use version control (Git mostly) to manage my work. Emacs offer a great support for this (Git, Mercurial and SVN; and Darcs, and Fossil, and even TFS, you name it). You can manage branches, commits, pushes and conflicts effortlessly and without having to touch a mouse or leave your editor. No other IDE has perfected this, out-of-the-box, like Emacs (though you might want to install magit package). 2 - Browser REPLs Read-Eval-Print-Loops are awesome, as any Lisp-speaking SLIME-using programmer will tell you. Emacs has numerous REPLs that connect to browsers to make your life easier. Their main features are: Refresh on Save (ok, you'll probably have to type it up yourself, but it's a single defadvice...), bi-directional element inspection, JavaScript debugging, HTML debugging and pushing to browser, CSS debugging and pushing to browser, etc… If you’re an experienced web developer you’d say “I can set those up myself with some scripts and extensions”. And you’re correct. The thing is, it's simpler than it sounds. Emacs offers you all this with a bunch of simple M-x package-install invocations. 1 - Feature rich I have been using Emacs for a while now, and every other day I discover new things; and even if I discover a new thing in another IDE, the Lispiness of Emacs never ceases to amaze me - like with all Lisps, it's trivial to copy a feature from a competitor and do it better. That is, if you don't already have a better one. Note: I always keep something like vim installed for quick editing, most of the time because I'm too lazy to set up emacs-client as EDITOR for rare random interactions with interactive editing in unix shell. Are you using Emacs or another powerful editor? Share your experience in a comment!

pjmlp 12y ago

Netbeans is great, it has changed a lot since the old days around 2002, where it was quite slow and one even had to mount filesystems into the workspace. The Netbeans rewrite that followed, the use of Ant and Maven as project files and the overall plugin quality beats Eclipse any day. The HTML5 support is great, specially the integration with JavaScript frameworks and static analyzers. I also enjoy the C++ and Assembly support is also quite good, given it is the official Solaris IDE. Best of all, no nonsense workspace or perspective modes in sight. And the plugins API is quite good.

jimbokun 12y ago
"...the use of Ant and Maven as project files..." This is what I want most from a Java IDE. I find IDEs project configuration complex, arbitrary, inscrutable, and un-diffable (making version control on the project files mostly useless). Eclipse and IntelliJ make some effort to work with Maven and Ant, but tend to get out of sync in hard to debug ways.
- V-2 12y ago
  Android Studio (Google's fork of IDEA) was awful at the beginning but is on the right track to getting quite good with Gradle.

jisaacks 12y ago

I used to use Netbeans before moving to Sublime Text, there was only really one thing I missed, the way it showed changes in the gutter.

velodrome 12y ago
Have you tried using something like GitGutter?

progx 12y ago

1 Reason to Use Sublime Text 1 - I need a good Editor, not an IDE

simi_ 12y ago
This is my exact use case, and I moved from ST2/3 to Atom a while ago, and haven't looked back. (that's not to say Atom doesn't suck, because it does, but it's getting better at a very brisk pace)
- progx 12y ago
  I think Atom can have a great future. The modular design and nodejs under the hood are great benefits.

unclebunkers 12y ago

I don't want to sound like a jerk, but has the author tried other options?

un3n 12y ago
Doubtful. If he had, he would be able to provide more reasoning than 'netbeans is awesome, its the best and nothing is better!!". How about specifics on what you think netbeans does thats better? For example in what way do you find the git support better? Because as someone who regularly use IntelliJ IDEA I feel that it is better in every way (which is why I use it). What I'm getting at is blanketly saying 'X program is the best it does B better than Y" is useless, and wont provide anyone looking for a new IDE any information on why they should try X over Y. What makes its implementation better? I want actual descriptions, and images, and actual use cases.</ramble>