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Also consider how thick the crystal on a watch is vs how thick the glass on a phone is. Personally, I'd rather have "the new iPhone 6: exactly as thick as the

Also consider how thick the crystal on a watch is vs how thick the glass on a phone is. Personally, I'd rather have "the new iPhone 6: exactly as thick as the last one, but now it lasts 2 days on a charge"

madeofpalk 12y ago
FYI, the new iPhone 6 plus is thinner and has longer battery life than the 5S. Apple says the 6 plus gets 12 hours internet usage compared to the 10 hours on iPhone 5S
- jarek 12y ago
  > FYI, the new iPhone 6 plus is thinner and has longer battery life than the 5S. Could it have something to do with the two of three dimensions expanding considerably?
  - madeofpalk 12y ago
    Oh I'm not pretending it's not. Just making the observation. Also, the battery was increased beyond the power needed for the extra display.
    - jarek 12y ago
      > Also, the battery was increased beyond the power needed for the extra display. Yes but that makes sense. Horizontal phone size 5S->6+ increased by ~69%, screen size increased by say 65%. Overall phone volume increased by ~58%. If battery was 50% of the 5S volume and volume of electronics hasn't changed in 6+, the battery volume has increased by 116%. Some of these assumptions are likely off and the volumes slightly inaccurate but the point should stand.
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    I was always under the impression that this is why screen size initially was increased, to cover the space needed for a larger battery. The side benefit of course being, look we have big screens. I haven't found a site that breaks out power usage by hardware features in a phone, I have seen sites on how apps can affect it. Would be interesting to know jut which parts of the phone are the worst consumers of power
    - icebraining 12y ago
      Android has an embedded energy monitor. On my Nexus 7, the screen consistently uses >60% of the whole, even though the tablet spends most of its time in idle (with the screen turned off) and I keep wifi turned on the whole day, including during commute when it connects to dozens of APs. EDIT: Oh, and I also listen to podcasts and music over bluetooth for hours/day. It hardly seems to make a dent.
    - ZeroGravitas 12y ago
      The screen is the number one power draw, though I think it's true that generally the larger the device the larger the battery and that more than cancels out the larger screen. See iPad vs. iPhone battery life for example (but remember to include/exclude 3/4G for fair comparisons).
    - dailyrorschach 12y ago
      This is also a feature in iOS Settings now as well to help determine where the loss is.
- higherpurpose 12y ago
  You're confusing it with iPhone 6 Plus: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/138994-thumb/iPhone-6-Plus-battery-life.jpg http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/138994-thumb/iPh... Also, battery life improvement was very much expected. The resolution barely increased (for the 6), the GPU is more powerful, and the battery is larger. If everything else besides the screen size stays the same or gets more efficient, and the battery increases linearly, too, then the increase in battery life should be positive.
hellweaver666 12y ago
The first batch of reviews are starting to come in and saying the 6+ actually does last around 2 days under normal usage.
- Yizahi 12y ago
  That depends on normal usage. Also, if this is correct, then putting bigger battery would still gain more days, only it would be 3 or 4 days, which would be great.
- grimman 12y ago
  Meanwhile I get 3-4 days on my Galaxy S5 (which can be further increased with their "ultra" power saving mode). Battery life has come a LONG way (again) in recent times. I'm almost back to feature phone levels and I can honestly say it's a bit of a relief. I went on a weekend trip to London and forgot my charger... no problem whatsoever. Just a couple of years ago I'd have been forced to trudge down to a crummy store and buy a charger right there and then.
  - nicholassmith 12y ago
    When I held a S5 it felt a bit too thick to be comfortable for my hand size. I don't think I've got particularly small hands, but it was definitely a bit too much for longer than quicker interaction use.
    - hnal943 12y ago
      On the other hand, the first thing I did when I got my note 3 is buy a case so it wasn't so blasted thin. I think the fact that there is barely any side edge on these phones makes them difficult to hold onto.
    - Shivetya 12y ago
      You can always hold your phone up to the screen and determine if a new one is going to be a bit too large... http://www.piliapp.com/actual-size/ http://www.piliapp.com/actual-size/ its not perfect, you cannot simulate wrapping your hands around the device but you can actually hold an existing device up and get a good idea of what it will be like
Yizahi 12y ago
I totally would accept iPhone 6 as thick as 3GS with 3x or even 4x battery life and flat back panel. This one with 1800 mAh battery? Not in the 2014.
bane 12y ago
I would be absurdly happy to find a phone like a Note 3/4 that's 2x as thick and has 2-3x as much battery. Not that the Note has poor battery life (it easily last a full 12-16 hours of pretty heavy usage). I really don't care much about thinness in phones, but I do care about having a forever battery and I'd happily trade 3mm of pocket space for it.
- zmmmmm 12y ago
  If you really don't care about size there are plenty of options, especially for phones like the Note3 with replaceable backs[1].Even for the iPhone you can buy a wrap around case that embeds a battery. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-International-Warranty/dp/B00DH0L5ZO http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-Internati...
  - bane 12y ago
    Yeah absolutely, but I wish it was just part of the phone model. A Note 3 with the pack you linked to could easily do 2 full days of medium to heavy usage.
- dagw 12y ago
  The Note 3 has a replaceable battery, so there is nothing stopping you from replacing it with a thicker, higher capacity battery. There are lots of options available, like this one: http://www.mugenpoweronline.com/zaspx/product_details.aspx?file=sh&productno=1746 http://www.mugenpoweronline.com/zaspx/product_details.aspx?f...
- monort 12y ago
  You can get battery with extended capacity. E.g. ZeroLemon have 10000 mAh battery: http://zerolemon.com/product/zerolemon-samsung-galaxy-note-3-10000mah-extended-battery-with-nfc-zeroshock-shockproofdustproof-rugged-case/ http://zerolemon.com/product/zerolemon-samsung-galaxy-note-3... But phone becomes very bulky with it.
- akgerber 12y ago
  Motorola did have their Maxx models that were thicker with more battery, but it seems like they gave up on that when they were acquired by Google.
rahimnathwani 12y ago
Can't you achieve the same effect by buying a case with a built-in battery? Admittedly you would have to remove the case in order to use the lightning port for syncing, but I suspect most people do that rarely, if at all, anyway.
- lucaspiller 12y ago
  I tether quite a lot (where I live usable free wifi is practically impossible to come by, where as LTE is everywhere). To prevent the phone battery going flat after an hour I tether over USB.
tonylemesmer 12y ago
>> Personally, I'd rather have "the new iPhone 6: exactly as thick as the last one, but now it lasts 2 days on a charge" can't believe this wasn't how it turned out.
covercash 12y ago
I can't imagine Apple didn't think of that. And then make many foam, clay, and metal models based around that idea. I have a feeling that the bigger 4.7" display forced them to make the overall device thinner in order to maintain a good "feel" in your hand. A 4.7" iPhone as thick as the 5S probably feels like a brick after just a short period of use.

madeofpalk 12y ago

FYI, the new iPhone 6 plus is thinner and has longer battery life than the 5S. Apple says the 6 plus gets 12 hours internet usage compared to the 10 hours on iPhone 5S

jarek 12y ago
> FYI, the new iPhone 6 plus is thinner and has longer battery life than the 5S. Could it have something to do with the two of three dimensions expanding considerably?
- madeofpalk 12y ago
  Oh I'm not pretending it's not. Just making the observation. Also, the battery was increased beyond the power needed for the extra display.
  - jarek 12y ago
    > Also, the battery was increased beyond the power needed for the extra display. Yes but that makes sense. Horizontal phone size 5S->6+ increased by ~69%, screen size increased by say 65%. Overall phone volume increased by ~58%. If battery was 50% of the 5S volume and volume of electronics hasn't changed in 6+, the battery volume has increased by 116%. Some of these assumptions are likely off and the volumes slightly inaccurate but the point should stand.
- Shivetya 12y ago
  I was always under the impression that this is why screen size initially was increased, to cover the space needed for a larger battery. The side benefit of course being, look we have big screens. I haven't found a site that breaks out power usage by hardware features in a phone, I have seen sites on how apps can affect it. Would be interesting to know jut which parts of the phone are the worst consumers of power
  - icebraining 12y ago
    Android has an embedded energy monitor. On my Nexus 7, the screen consistently uses >60% of the whole, even though the tablet spends most of its time in idle (with the screen turned off) and I keep wifi turned on the whole day, including during commute when it connects to dozens of APs. EDIT: Oh, and I also listen to podcasts and music over bluetooth for hours/day. It hardly seems to make a dent.
  - ZeroGravitas 12y ago
    The screen is the number one power draw, though I think it's true that generally the larger the device the larger the battery and that more than cancels out the larger screen. See iPad vs. iPhone battery life for example (but remember to include/exclude 3/4G for fair comparisons).
  - dailyrorschach 12y ago
    This is also a feature in iOS Settings now as well to help determine where the loss is.
higherpurpose 12y ago
You're confusing it with iPhone 6 Plus: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/138994-thumb/iPhone-6-Plus-battery-life.jpg http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/138994-thumb/iPh... Also, battery life improvement was very much expected. The resolution barely increased (for the 6), the GPU is more powerful, and the battery is larger. If everything else besides the screen size stays the same or gets more efficient, and the battery increases linearly, too, then the increase in battery life should be positive.

hellweaver666 12y ago

The first batch of reviews are starting to come in and saying the 6+ actually does last around 2 days under normal usage.

Yizahi 12y ago
That depends on normal usage. Also, if this is correct, then putting bigger battery would still gain more days, only it would be 3 or 4 days, which would be great.
grimman 12y ago
Meanwhile I get 3-4 days on my Galaxy S5 (which can be further increased with their "ultra" power saving mode). Battery life has come a LONG way (again) in recent times. I'm almost back to feature phone levels and I can honestly say it's a bit of a relief. I went on a weekend trip to London and forgot my charger... no problem whatsoever. Just a couple of years ago I'd have been forced to trudge down to a crummy store and buy a charger right there and then.
- nicholassmith 12y ago
  When I held a S5 it felt a bit too thick to be comfortable for my hand size. I don't think I've got particularly small hands, but it was definitely a bit too much for longer than quicker interaction use.
  - hnal943 12y ago
    On the other hand, the first thing I did when I got my note 3 is buy a case so it wasn't so blasted thin. I think the fact that there is barely any side edge on these phones makes them difficult to hold onto.
  - Shivetya 12y ago
    You can always hold your phone up to the screen and determine if a new one is going to be a bit too large... http://www.piliapp.com/actual-size/ http://www.piliapp.com/actual-size/ its not perfect, you cannot simulate wrapping your hands around the device but you can actually hold an existing device up and get a good idea of what it will be like

Yizahi 12y ago

I totally would accept iPhone 6 as thick as 3GS with 3x or even 4x battery life and flat back panel. This one with 1800 mAh battery? Not in the 2014.

bane 12y ago

I would be absurdly happy to find a phone like a Note 3/4 that's 2x as thick and has 2-3x as much battery. Not that the Note has poor battery life (it easily last a full 12-16 hours of pretty heavy usage). I really don't care much about thinness in phones, but I do care about having a forever battery and I'd happily trade 3mm of pocket space for it.

zmmmmm 12y ago
If you really don't care about size there are plenty of options, especially for phones like the Note3 with replaceable backs[1].Even for the iPhone you can buy a wrap around case that embeds a battery. [1] http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-International-Warranty/dp/B00DH0L5ZO http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Extended-Compatible-Internati...
- bane 12y ago
  Yeah absolutely, but I wish it was just part of the phone model. A Note 3 with the pack you linked to could easily do 2 full days of medium to heavy usage.
dagw 12y ago
The Note 3 has a replaceable battery, so there is nothing stopping you from replacing it with a thicker, higher capacity battery. There are lots of options available, like this one: http://www.mugenpoweronline.com/zaspx/product_details.aspx?file=sh&productno=1746 http://www.mugenpoweronline.com/zaspx/product_details.aspx?f...
monort 12y ago
You can get battery with extended capacity. E.g. ZeroLemon have 10000 mAh battery: http://zerolemon.com/product/zerolemon-samsung-galaxy-note-3-10000mah-extended-battery-with-nfc-zeroshock-shockproofdustproof-rugged-case/ http://zerolemon.com/product/zerolemon-samsung-galaxy-note-3... But phone becomes very bulky with it.
akgerber 12y ago
Motorola did have their Maxx models that were thicker with more battery, but it seems like they gave up on that when they were acquired by Google.

rahimnathwani 12y ago

Can't you achieve the same effect by buying a case with a built-in battery? Admittedly you would have to remove the case in order to use the lightning port for syncing, but I suspect most people do that rarely, if at all, anyway.

lucaspiller 12y ago
I tether quite a lot (where I live usable free wifi is practically impossible to come by, where as LTE is everywhere). To prevent the phone battery going flat after an hour I tether over USB.

tonylemesmer 12y ago

>> Personally, I'd rather have "the new iPhone 6: exactly as thick as the last one, but now it lasts 2 days on a charge" can't believe this wasn't how it turned out.

covercash 12y ago

I can't imagine Apple didn't think of that. And then make many foam, clay, and metal models based around that idea. I have a feeling that the bigger 4.7" display forced them to make the overall device thinner in order to maintain a good "feel" in your hand. A 4.7" iPhone as thick as the 5S probably feels like a brick after just a short period of use.